Season's Greetings to one and all.

Season's Greetings to one and all

The therapy I am receiving has helped me feel much better and with God's Will I will be
with my MOM for the next Genealogy Meeting.

You can all gather around and talk about Christmas traditions. Share cookies if someone brings
them and I am planning on seeing you all in January.

As you load and unload gifts be careful of the old trunk Lid. Mine gave me a concussion along with pinched nerves in my neck and upper back. I am so thankful I am feeling better and the physical therapy has been a true blessing to my spine.

May your New Year Be AWesome.

Wednesday 17 Nov. Lemon Grove Library 6 to 7:50 P M

This Wednesday evening Shirley Becker will be presenting information on Planning a Research Trip.
Susi wishes you all a great Thanksgiving time and will see you in December.


This topic will come in handy for the holiday travels or visits. Or a deliberately planned
Research trip. It really applies to all those occasions. You may have company in your home or you may go to visit, the rules still apply over all.

Do enjoy the Presentation and have a super Thanksgiving time.

Nov 17 Research Trip Planning presented by Shirley Becker

Greetings all,
Shirley will present above topic at the November meeting in time to utilize information for those going to Los Angeles Library Trip in December. But it applies to any trips to MOM's or cousins or courthouse or Library or Repository. I hope you all enjoy it and have a Super Thanksgiving.

Blessings

Susi

Book Review "Broadax and Bayonet" the role of the U S Army in the Development of the Northwest 1815-1860

Book for Research on Early Frontier America

Broadax and Bayonet “ the role of the US Army in the Development of the Northwest
1815-1860” by Francis Paul Prucha Bison Books University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln.

Printed 1953 by the State Historical Society of Wisconsin

P 3 This was the WILDERNESS

P 14 The Military Frontier

P 34 Military and Manpower

P 55 Whisky and Intruders

P 81 Policeman of the Frontier

P 104 The Physical attack upon the Wilderness

P 120 From Swords to Plowshares

P 131 The Military Roads

P 149 Supplying the Army Posts

P 171 The Transportation of Troops and Supplies

P 189 Scientific Contributions

P 200 Touches of Civilization

P 225 Bibliography

P 247 Index



The Bibliography is 15 pages long. Very intense, very rewarding for
Documented information from 1815 forward.

Monday's updates

Here is some information and places you may want to go to to enjoy more learning.
I have known Dae and Jayne for almost 15 years maybe more. The Genealogy Wise Chatroom is where I normally present Vital Records on Thursdays. HEADS UP. I may be away from San Diego for next meeting. You can all meet and share what you have learned and discuss what you would like to know more about for the coming year.

Mom is Ill and I am going to see her.


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For a real genealogical journey! 25 October 2010
GENTREK Chats
Mondae, 25-Oct-10, GENTREK presents "The Civil War Paper Trail." A remarkable amount of documentation is generated by the military. The Civil War was no exception. Join us at 9:00 pm EDT in the AOL Genealogy Chatroom.


Mondae, 25-Oct-10, GENTREK presents "U.S. Census, 1860 and 1870." We continue our series on the U.S. Federal Census and what it contains. The information gathered begins to be more genealogical helpful. Come join us at 10:00 pm EDT in the Genealogy Wise Chatroom.


Thursdae, 28-Oct-10, GENTREK will present "History of GENTREK." How did Jayne and Dae meet? How did GENTREK get started? What are the future plans for GENTREK? We'll tell all at 10pm in the chatroom of Looking4Kin.


Saturdae, 30-Oct-10, GENTREK will present "Converting Secondary Evidence to Primary Evidence." No, it isn't genealogical alchemy. We'll show you some tried and tested methods for upgrading your evidentiary findings. Come see us at 10:00 AM EDT each week in the Genealogy Wise Chatroom.

U.S. Civil War Chats
Thursdae, 21-Oct-10 -- The American Civil War History chat will have Open Chat. Join us at 11 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs.


Fridae, 22-Oct-10, the The American Civil War History chat will present "6 Extraordinary Ladies." Women tossed their heads and looked the other way; they pretended to have no interest in the colorful passenger who was listed as Madame La Force. Come hear the rest of the story at 10 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs?

ShoeString Genealogy
Access FREE "Another Look at Obituaries" at ShoeString Genealogy.

Saturdae GENTREK Has Retured!
GENTREK for Saturdaes will continue for October. Dae's PC is on the operating table this week, so please be patient until it recovers. Thanks!
Relevant Links
ShoeString Genealogy

Bits of Blue & Gray

Genealogy Wise

Looking4Kin

Tips from our chatters
I spent an enjoyable Saturdae in Plano, Texas with David Rencher and Tami Glatz. They were speakers at another excellent genealogy conference. ~~ Happy Dae·


I just started subscribing to Casefile Clues; I really like it so far. ~~ Beth Gatlin,

Wednesday's Library Chatter, Lemon Grove

Wednesday's Library Chatter, Lemon Grove
Wednesday's chatter was interesting, thought provoking and bordered on may topics
of the human beings development. We talked about migration, brought up by Clayton
regarding a current National Geographic magazine. Since humans followed animals
for food and warmth,and we were talking humans being around 20,000 years ago &
2,000 years ago. We discussed various finds in various caves and places that
indicates that the human race is very old. We talked about the use of the human
mind and it's powers we have explored and the powers that we can possibly develop
and use to make the world better.

Did all this relate to genealogy? Yes, it did. We talked about the program on
Fox News the night before and MTDNA and YDNA. which brought about all the above
mentioned topics and more. Samuel Adams and genetics was mentioned and discussed,
also it discussed the intermarrying of nationalities and the break down over
generations.

Bryan Sykes book "The Seven Daughters of Eve," tells us our beginnings and it is
scientific not biblical. It has become a fairly well accepted piece of science.

I loved studying Ancient History because it talks of the early peoples. These
peoples later became what we have for people of today. But our labels today
are very misleading for a genealogist.

Why does a paper have born Germany 1780? As Leland M and I have talked this is
poor genealogy in my eyes. Germany did not become a state until around 1870 or so.
A paper saying of European descent may be better until the actual region is pinned
down.

I think it would be fun to read a European's research paper for genealogy and how
far they go back and how do they list the Gaul's and Gaelic's etc.

Update from friend Dae and my schedule

You all may want to look into these events at the various places. The ones you will be unable to reach are on aol.com unless an aol member but almost all others are free.

I also do my shared Chat on Vital Records at

http://www.genealogywise.com/?xg_source=msg_invite_net

Thursday's 6 pm pacific time click on genealogywise then click on chat. Vital Records are presented every Thursday evening.

Dae, Jayne and others do presentations at various sites. I have known them for more than ten years, more like twenty at this point. We are old Golden Gate Forum Hosts.

Here is their data.


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For a real genealogical journey! 11 October 2010
GENTREK Chats
Mondae, 11-Oct-10, GENTREK presents "GEDCOM Torture Tests." We have presented information on what the GEDCOM contains and how it is stored. Here you'll see how YOUR genealogy software rates as to how it handles GEDCOMs. Join us at 9:00 pm EDT in the AOL Genealogy Chatroom.


Mondae, 11-Oct-10, GENTREK presents "U.S. Census, 1810 and 1820." We continue our series on the U.S. Federal Census and what it contains. Come join us at 10:00 pm EDT in the Genealogy Wise Chatroom.


Thursdae, 14-Oct-10, GENTREK will present "2007 Wholly-Genes Cruise, part 2." Jayne and I attended the Wholly-Genes Genealogy cruise in 2007. It was my second cruise and somehow talked her into going. This is the second part of our experiences at sea and ashore. We'll begin at 10pm in the chatroom of Looking4Kin.


Saturdae, 16-Oct-10, GENTREK will present "DNA, part 2." Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called mitochondria. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA are thought to be of separate evolutionary origin, with the mtDNA being derived from the circular genomes of the that were engulfed by the early ancestors of today's eukaryotic cells. Not to worry, we'll explain it all. Come see us at 10:00 AM EDT each week in the Genealogy Wise Chatroom.

U.S. Civil War Chats
Thursdae, 14-Oct-10 -- The American Civil War History chat will present "Songs, Letters and Poems. Join us at 11 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs.


Fridae, 15-Oct-10, the The American Civil War History chat will present "The First Submariners." As they lifted the hatch covers, foul smelling gas trapped under pressure hissed from the seals. Come hear the rest of the story at 10 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs?

ShoeString Genealogy
Access FREE "Another Look at Obituaries" at ShoeString Genealogy.

Saturdae GENTREK Has Retured!
GENTREK for Saturdaes will continue for another month. Thanks to all of you who attend — we'll keep it going for YOU!
Relevant Links
ShoeString Genealogy

Bits of Blue & Gray

Genealogy Wise

Looking4Kin

Tips from our chatters
I spent an enjoyable Saturdae in Plano, Texas with David Rencher and Tami Glatz. They were speakers at another excellent genealogy conference. ~~ Happy Dae·


I just started subscribing to Casefile Clues; I really like it so far. ~~ Beth Gatlin, GenealogyWise.com


I took all my obits and photographed them and put them all on disk. We collect obits of immigrants from my grandfather's village. I had to do hundreds of obits and I would have given up if I had to scan them all. I put them on a large sheet of white poster board and did them one after the other. I used my digital camera on the highest resolution as a scanner. ~~ Jo Saunders, Looking4Kin.com

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Saturday is the Seminar, Wednesday is Paula Sassi

Everyone heads up, the time is fast approaching for our handwriting expert to share her knowledge with us. Wednesday at the Civic Center Library, 365 F St in Chula Vista, across from the police station at 12 noon we start the general meeting and will introduce Paula Sassi to the attendees.

Remember to dig out an old letter, a Will, a Deed, a Xmas card maybe, something that has a signature of ancestor on it.

Then remember to circle Saturday and attend the Family History Fair Seminar, titled: Where do we go from Here? with Jean Wilcox Hibben and Alfredo Pena. As we move from a year of activity one direction and start to head another direction to continue to give the members & community knowledge and information and fun.

This event is at the Norman Park Center 270 F St. up the street from the library. It will be Saturday 2 October from 9 to 4:30.
Questions regarding this event contact Virginia T at Irishdoll@cox.net or Susi P at SusiCP@cox.net

Information on 11 September Bonita Library Speaker Alfredo Pena

Mr Pena is our speaker for Bonita Library Community Room this coming Saturday.
He will be sharing information on the Conquistadors and their coming to Mexico.
We will be learning of the potential genealogical interlinks in families of
today from the Conquistadors. Where to find data and what to do to receive data.

A large write up is on the other blog site for you all to see.

1. His biography and accomplishments

2. The topics that he is presenting for the Chula Vista Genealogical Society
and the order of presentation.

3. The topics are broke up into three parts so we can absorb the information.

Please go to the site listed here for both the schedule and the bio on Mr. Pena.

http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/2010/09/alfredo-penas-biography.html

http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/2010/09/conquest-of-mexico-finding-your.html

Preparing for the 2 October Seminar CVGS, Chula Vista, CA

Chula Vista Genealogical Society

October is National Family History Month

Join us for our Special Annual Seminar
Norman Park Senior Center, 270 F St., Chula Vista
Where Do We Go From Here?
Saturday, October 2nd, 9:00am to 4:30pm
GUEST SPEAKER: Jean Wilcox Hibben, PhD., MA CGsm
keynote address plus two additional 1 hour sessions
“Backdoor Genealogy” and “Moving from Paper to Electronic Records”

GUEST SPEAKER: Alfredo Pena, head genealogist for CorGoMiUri.
Mexican – Spanish Genealogy After the Conquistadors

Please register NOW!
Registration includes refreshments and catered lunch.
$25.00/Person until September 20, $30.00 thereafter.

For further information, contact Susi Pentico at (619-690-1188), or via email at susiCP@cox.net
Or contact Virginia Taylor at (619-425-7922) or email at irishdoll@cox.net
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Address _________________________________________ Names of persons attending for name tag: Please Print

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Email and/or telephone # ____________________________________
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Please Remit To:
Chula Vista Genealogical Society, P.O. Box 3024, Chula Vista, CA 91919-3024

5 Generation Charts- our Picnic was today -Sunday is Surnames

Great Day of 5 Generation Charts

Today we had a great turn out for 5 Generation Chart and Surname exchange day.

There was almost some one from every where on the wheel. I can think of only two places the
wheel hit that no one had kin that was there. But I know we have people whom have kin in
those regions also. :>)


Sunday, Gary Brock will be expounding on the surnames that were presented and telling where
they are from and what they mean as best as he can. Chula Vista Library 4th and F St. 12 to
3 P M.

It seems it was very hard for most to have a fully completed 5 Generation Chart. Many others
besides myself had 4 generations complete. I did not use the 5 Generation completed chart to
share today. Yes many of the female lines are very hard to track with accuracy.

It seems sad that we can not go back 5 full generations with completed data. I wonder how
much our grandparents knew that we did not learn that would solve this. Since we are talking
of their Grandparents.

5 Generation Charts and our Picnic is tomorrow

5 Generation Charts and Annual Picnic

The picnic is tomorrow at the Elks Lodge in Chula Vista off Telegraph Canyon Rd.

Make sure you bring your 5 Generation Charts can be up to 7 generations so you may be using
two of them.

Many of us are doing a 4 Generation Chart twice easier to see and we will have
the 7 generations we are allowed to use.

If you have received new information make sure you have entered it onto the charts and
sited the source.

Remember this is bring a sack lunch and share in the games and fun. Also there will be
a White Elephant raffle. Not sure if we are doing a book sale.

Starts by 11 and ends around 2:00. Join Gary in the Wheel of Fortune for your family
surnames and find either new people to share research with or new kin or better yet both.

This will also show how much you learned at the 5 Generation Chart and Forms classes
Ruth did to help everyone.

Wednesday Evening in Lemon Grove 19 August 2010

Today is Wednesday, mid of the week day, Hump Day, Words of Wisdom Day or Wordless Wednesday.

It also is Lemon Grove Research meeting day. 6 Pm Lemon Grove Library.

We will be sharing information on 5 Generation Charts and what they can accomplish for us in

genealogy. We are stressing these charts and others because they really tell you more than

you realize as you are filling them in or leaving blank holes.

I am going to show you a chart that Ruth Himan uses that was new to me and Gary Brock was

adding to it already. We shall share our research news and talk about if we have any goals

we set last year and if accomplishing any of them. Does setting goals help you to move

forward with your research?

See you this evening.

5 Generation Chart Day Bonita Library, Bonita Ca

Greetings today Ruth Himan will be presenting data on Charts that are used in Genealogy. The main emphasis will be on the five generation chart that is used to complete the registration to join the society and to use at the yearly picnic 25 August at the Elks Lodge in Chula Vista.

Gary has created an awesome game to learn about our ancestors and regions they lived in or came from.

So come get your Charts knowledge and prepare to join us for our picnic in a couple of weeks.

1:30 to 4 PM Bonita Library, Bonita Rd, next to golf course and history museum.

5 Generation Charts and other Forms, join Ruth

Ruth HIman will be sharing her knowledge with you to fill out the charts and forms used by genealogists in their research.
The focus will be on the 5 Generation Chart for those who have not filled one out or will need to fill one out.
They are used to be part of the Game on 25 August at the Elks Lodge, CHula Vista, CA and to complete your application as a member of our society.

TIME 1:30 to 4:00 P M 4375 Bonita Rd, Bonita, Ca at the Bonita Library. August 14, 2010.

Come share in the fun. Meet more members and learn of other events.

CVGS Program on 28 July - Susi Pentico on "Vital Records"

Posted: 26 Jul 2010 10:50 AM PDT Thanks Randy from Genea-Musings
...
The July program meeting of the Chula Vista Genealogical Society is on Wednesday, 28 July at 12 noon in the auditorium of the Chula Vista Civic Center Branch Library (365 F Street in downtown Chula Vista).

After a brief business meeting, the program speaker will by CVGS member Susi Pentico on "Vital Records and Where You May Find Them."

The program description includes:

Do you really know what is a Vital Record?

This presentation will be filled with some of the very “normal” places to find Vital Records. It will also provide some neat tips on some unconventional places to find information and will share some unconventional methods used to find vital records.

Susi Pentico has been a genealogy speaker for the Chula Vista Genealogical Society for more than ten years. She has given talks throughout the county over the past seven years and has been a research specialist for over fifteen years online, working previously with the old Golden Gate Forum, and with two other online genealogy sites that are no more. She currently co-hosts a class on www.GenealogyWise.com with old friend Rita Ely regarding Vital Records. They have done this for three plus years, but only recently moved to Genealogywise.com. Susi has been researching her ancestry since she was about 20 years old.

This program is free for all to attend. Please enter the auditorium through the Library Conference Room to sign in, pick up the program and presentation handout, have a drink and a snack, and chat with other genealogists. More information about this program, or about CVGS in general, please contact Barbara at 619-477-4140 or baribai@cox.net.

Vital Records for Lemon Grove Genealogy Attendees

This evening we numbered six and we talked a bit about probate and its's difficult turns in the County of San Diego, state of California. Then we turned to a more enjoyable chat about learning what a Vital Record is and where one my look to locate them.
Vital Records have an interesting description for themselves. They can be found about anywhere.

Learning also that newspapers of the past was the equivalent of the internet of today. Newspapers reached out to inform and share knowledge with the community and its neighboring areas. Data of all descriptions and sizes, meant to reach far and wide was put in papers of the 1700 and 1800's. It was a better means of communication than the Mail. It reported on when Mail was not picked up to notify the potential recipients. Making it a great source of vital information.

What was the most published vital record of the 1700 and 1800's? Do you know that answer. Do you know what area of the country had the most information published in this time period?

These were some of the things we talked of. Sites for newspaper information were given such as: GenealogyBank, Footnote, NARA, Libraries, Historical Societies and other sources.

To learn more come to my talk at the Chula Vista Library, Wednesday, July 29, 2010 at 12 p m meeting.

Civic Center and F st. across from Police Department.

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With full permission to post this by them.


Jayne & Dae's Weekly Genealogy Chats Reminder

For a real genealogical journey! 18 July 2010
GENTREK Chats
Mondae, 19-July-10, GENTREK presents "Creating Medical Summaries." As the family historian, you're already compiling health history information that can be vital to family members present and future. What could be a more valuable contribution than sharing those details to help improve or possibly even save the lives of your relatives? Here are twelve tips for ways to do just that by working with your living relatives. Join us at 9:00 pm EDT in the AOL Genealogy Chatroom.
Mondae, 19-July-10, GENTREK presents "Why American Families Migrated, part 3." This week we move from the religious and economic to the sociological causes for migration and their ramifications. Come join us at 10:00 pm EDT in the Genealogy Wise Chatroom.
Thursdae, 22-July-10, GENTREK will present "Parish Records — Genealogy Gold." Because of legal complications we cannot do adoption research for you. All we can do is offer information that might be of some help to you and guide you in the proven directions you need to go. We'll begin at 10pm in the chatroom of Looking4Kin. Note: you must join to visit the chatroom, but membership is free.
Saturdae, 24-July-10, GENTREK goes on spring/summer hiatus. We will return in September, 2010.
U.S. Civil War Chats
Thursdae, 22-July-10 -- The American Civil War History chat. Come see what we have for you tonight. Join us at 11 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs.
Fridae, 23-July-10, the American Civil War History will present "Civil War Prison Camps -- Camp Lawton." While the Civil War etched the names Gettysburg, Antietam, and Vicksburg into the historical consciousness of the United States, a more subversive skirmish went by almost unnoticed. Join us, won't you, at 10 PM EDT in the AOL chatroom, Ancestral Digs?
Spring/Summer Hiatus!
GENTREK goes on spring/summer hiatusfor Saturdae Sessions only. We will return in September, 2010.
Relevant Links
ShoeString Genealogy

Bits of Blue & Gray

Genealogy Wise

Looking4Kin

Tips from our chatters
Yes! I have learned a lot from case studies. I am also learning a lot from attempting to produce case studies as well. ~~Allen McClain at America Online
There is another cluster I have found. It is people who are part Native Americans. They went to the frontier early because they were not accepted in White society. ~~ Rosemary Taylor at GenealogyWise
I left a message posted on a Genealogy board and after 9 years got a response from a first cousin I didn't know I had. ~~ alpobc at Looking4Kin
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N E H G S Poll I Read About

Well, seems Randy found a new poll from NEHGS. IF I received it, it went to old email address.

It talks of what are your top websites in preference of use.

These are the sites:


o http://www.ancestry.com/

o http://www.familysearch.org/

o http://www.newenglandancestors.org/

o http://www.rootsweb.com/

o http://www.usgenweb.org/

o http://www.footnote.com/

o http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/

o http://www.google.com/



My preferences would be:

o http://www.google.com/

o http://www.usgenweb.org/

o http://www.rootsweb.com/

o http://www.ancestry.com/

o http://www.familysearch.org/

o http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/

o http://www.footnote.com/

o http://www.newenglandancestors.org/


But this would depend on what region I was researching.
If New England region then NEHGS would be first. If we were doing Mid Atlantic or Southern regions I would be doing state libraries and genealogical and historical societies first.

If I was unsure of where, I probably use google.com the most. When in doubt I google, ASK JEEVES, and use other sources.
World Cat is good for finding where to look also.

I would also add to this list: FindaGrave.com, deadfred.com, worldgenweb.org, (I use this often).

Many years ago Cindy's List would have been one but it is so huge it confuses me now. The state historical socities and libraries are so much better today than 10 years ago please do not miss the information that is there.

Medical Genealogy

Here is the URL for information on Medical Genealogy. For those who missed the talk, I will be presenting it in the chat room on
Genealogywise.com at 6 Pm west coast time next Thursday. Not this Thursday.

https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action

Medical Genealogy to be presented at Bonita Library

Medical Genealogy to be presented by Susi Pentico of the CVGS on
Saturday 1 to 3 p m.

Why learn about" Medical Genealogy" you may ask. There are many
reasons for doing so.

The first may be it can save your life or a member of your families
life.

No, you do not have to loose your privacy to do this.


It may amaze you to learn what it can do to help you and your family.

It may also help you to locate more kin, even if it is a back door
method.

San Diego County Library Bonita Branch
4375 Bonita Road
Bonita, CA 91902

Susi can be reached at SusiCP@cox.net or through her blog at:

http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/

Lemon Grove 7 July

Greetings everyone, I was glad to see the faces that came to the meeting tonight but we sure missed those who did not come.
We hope others are well and making headway in their research.

Carol was able to share her Great Birthday Adventure with us about the HIldreth family. We were glad she had such a terrific event and found such a pleasant cousin of distance to chat about the Hildreth family. All of this, in our own back yard of Poway.

I shared the knowledge of Medical Genealogy with those in attendance. I also shared my genetic fingers and toes for the group to see. We talked about the need for this type of research and was I amazed to learn that Carol's Dr had taken her medical history to heart and she had help before trouble by her Doctor because of the family knowledge known. That is really what Medical Genealogy is about. The helping of saving some ones life, be it your own, a child or grandchild, cousin, niece or nephew.

What is cool is when you are not sure someone is related and you compare medical history it then may encourage you to do DNA testing to see if links because of the potential for inherited tendency's for medical situations.

More than one way to find a potential link when doing genealogy even if it is unconventional.

Come listen to full presentation Saturday at the Bonita Library, 4375 Bonita, Ca 1 to 3 p m.

Wednesday Evening Lemon Grove

Wednesday evening in Lemon Grove at the Library. 6 to 8 p m.
Topic is Medical Genealogy.

Why do Medical Genealogy? Come learn the needs for this concept and how it can help
you find new kin sometimes.

More importantly it may help you to save your or a family members life.

Presentation by Susi Pentico

Randy Seaver and Ancestry.com Sunday 27 June

Sunday 27 June 2010 at the Chula Vista Library we will be hosting Randy Seaver, who will be presenting
"Using Ancestry.com Effectively." The time is from 2 to 4 p.m. in the Chula Vista Civic Center Library Auditorium.

For all people whom use Ancestry and are seeing the changes, for all those who want to use Ancestry to further their searching,
please do come and learn the many great resources Ancestry has to offer.

This event is FREE. Just come join us now that your not instructing a class, or going to work.

We picked Sunday to reach out to the community that can not attend our Wednesday, day meetings.

Refreshments will be provided.

Randy is a well known Genealogist and Genealogy Blogger and writer for FGS Forum Magazine.

His talk is one of many we hope to present in the summer months.

Happy Birthday Card Party for MOM 90th

Hi fellow genealogists,

I am posting this in case you want to join in and send MOM a card. She will be 90 on the 29th and due to my siblings illness we are not able to host her a party so it was advised I try a Happy Birthday Card Party.

Remember she is turning 90 so larger print is easier to see, My relative said she would read the cards to her that she can not see though.

Because she has a PO BOX I think this is okay and the post office is prepared for her to receive mail for her 90th birthday.
I spoke to them before I posted in case it would be a problem.

She is the reason I started Genealogy when I was young to help her and then to help myself and my new born son.
He by the way just turned 50. So do your medical genealogy it may save a life.

Need help contact me.

send card to Dorothy JONES P O Box 253, Valley Ford, California 94972

Lemon Grove 16 June Event Gary Brock

Gary Brock came to the Lemon Grove Group and did a great presentation about the Chula Vista Genealogy Society this evening.
I was rather impressed with the amount we have grown over the years.

The amount of books we have in the library for use and the amount we spend on the books for library every year was
impressive. This does not count the given books by the society members through out the year either.

We also have learned the area is better recognized now with new arrangements to help the library and the genealogy
representatives. That was so awesome to hear.

We are now 104 strong.

I was sad we had such a small number tonight but we never know whom will show up. Alas having the schedule correct on the
library calendar would be nice though. Always the 1st and 3rd Wednesday of the month. 6 to 8 pm please. This may be why
attendance was low. I sure hope they do not show up next Wednesday for we will not be there.

Thanks to everyone for the nice evening. Library staff for the preparation, to the waitress who served our dinner later at Anna's.

Genealogy, Lemon Grove, speaker Gary Brock

Wednesday's Event will feature Gary Brock and his great tidbits on Society Membership.
It is hoped you will enjoy his presentation and have a greater understanding of what societies are and what they can do
to help a genealogist or family historian in their research.

We will also share some of the information we brought back from the Jamboree in Burbank this last weekend. Lots of classes were presented and many were attended by Virginia, Shirley, Ruth and Susi. Also both Cindy's were there as was Joan L and her dil. Of course many others from the San Diego Genealogy Society attended also.

We went by train to Burbank and returned the same way. What a relaxing way to travel. It is hoped more will consider this for next year because it breaks down to a very affordable cost and so much information is to be gained.

Please share this site with other genealogists in the area in case they would love to come and are working normally during the day.

See you Wednesday at 6 p m in Lemon Grove at the Library. If you need directions

Directions are: in Mall with Anna' on the corner across from St. John the Cross Church on Broadway and Washington St.,
in far corner.

Contact me at SusiCP@cox.net or post here.

Lemon Grove' Genealogy Surprise Event

The Lemon Grove Genealogy Group, had a interesting meeting the other day. I was away attending a family event and
Ruth Himan offered to step in and replace me. Replace me, she did. Here is what happened in her words.

1. 9 people tonight ----- Virginia did take attendance and reported to the front desk.

2. We received 7 membership applications and all applicants added pedigrees for the Chula Vista Society.
Several of the new members including Arlene Watters and Patricia Ayer spent a great deal of time copying their extensive well researched family pedigree chart for the Chula Vista Genealogy Binders. Other new members like Cathy Collins struggled to place names of her relatives.

3. Very large pre-printed blank pedigree charts were admired by some of the other attendees.

4. Virginia Taylor distributed outdated Chula Vista Newsletters. The newsletters were discussed as being (although from 2009) still having very good information, interesting stories and pertinent content.

5. We discussed some genealogy slang because we had a couple of genealogy happy dances.

6. First Happy Dance came when we were shown about a dozen photos, and copies of special dipolmas of Patty Smith's parents and grandparents.
Patty Smith hit the jackpot with connecting with a cousin in Florida. This is the daughter of her mother's sister.
Patty Smith showed us pictures of her great grandmother that got her interested in genealogy. Then she showed us handsome handsome men ---her great grandfathe and an uncle. There was an adorable picture of a sweet chubby girl about three --- the shortest of about six children standing in a line (side view) but look like the adoable little girl in jacket and bonnet slipped away and was looking straight on to the camera. Cute cute cute ---- It was a picture of Patty Smith at a very younger age.
Patty also shared with us her letter and cream and sugar set she received from her grandmother over 30 years ago. Patty's Aunt cried when she found Patty had the set. The aunt had remembered how her mother had said she very much wanted Patty to have the set.

7. Then Karen B. shared another delightful story of finding an entire family that she could not document as when and how they arrived in America. The Scottish family left Liverpool and then were tossed about in a storm left to drift in the ocean for quite awhile before being rescued by other ships. Yet with many delays, changing ships having to land out of port and being transferred by life boats the family finally landed in America. The account of the ships tubulant voyage is recorded in an article Karen found in a New York Newspaper. Yet soon after landing the family is separated and she finds a small 5 year old boy recorded on a census as being an inmate! Further investigation indicates the boy was placed in an orphanage. Years later the boy is reunited with his mother when the mother remarries. Besides the normal misspellings, confused names, and issues of researching a family, the mother's name changes, children's separate living arrangements made the search very difficult but very rewarding when she finally accounted for the mother and all the children.
The ships manifast indicated the family traveled 2nd class and separate from the first class. The steerage indicated 28 people but no names. Karen marveled that had her family traveled steerage she would have never found the family.

8. John was puzzled over some small triangle shaped stones he is finding in his yard.

9. Another genealogy slang word we introduced tonight was "cousin bait". We began exploring avenues to meeting cousins.We discussed cold calling, obituaries, Christmas Cards, and family group sheets.
I shared a completed family group sheet I had completed for my gg grandparents with my g grandfather being their sixth child. I was able to demonstrate how some of the other siblings contained a significant amount of information --which could indicate decsendents of my g-grandfather's sibling as having an interest in genealogy. A possible "cousin" to find.

10. Carol Burnett explained how she "e-mail met" her "cousin" Randy Seaver. Randy and Carol discovered they were cousins by Susi's RootsBounds Blog. We discussed blogging and websites were being credited with matching up more "cousins" than the on-line family trees.


So there was a great meeting, which made me feel good for everyone. We will have a speaker for the next event.

Lemon Grove Meeting Results

Nine people came to the meeting last evening, all had interesting news to share. Arlene found her missing ancestress. Carol was able to go Cemetery searching with co member Ruth. Ruth preparing to take Dad to old homestead area in the fall. Patty working on resolving link mystery. Clayton shared a story about 1945 time era. Patsy is busy working on her information.
Mary just enjoyed everyone's comments. Virginia was doing the same since we have been so busy making things work right in our new program at the Chula Vista Genealogy Society for up coming fall seminar. I shared the discovery of an Ancestress name, by a cousin regarding the Duvall line.

It was shared that we will be having a couple of interesting speakers coming up in the next few months. Everyone seemed to enjoy the trip to library.

We missed seeing: Kathy, Cathy, Karen & Bob, Carol, and others who pop in to learn new things and share information.

Two new charts for use with your genealogy were passed out that was found when I was preparing for my Seminar talk that was given 24 April in Chula Vista. One is very informative for helping you look at new places for data. Some list different data in court houses that has not been mentioned before. These topics were discussed and thought to be interesting, we had not heard of much researching being used along these lines.

We meet again on the third Wed of May at 6 pm at the Lemon Grove Library. Come see what your missing for research venues and ways to rethink a problem.

Lemon Grove Meeting Tonight 6 Pm

Greetings everyone

Come join us at the Lemon Grove Library, across from St. John the Cross Catholic Church in the Mall for a fun evening of Genealogy.

Everyone wanting to do Genealogy or doing Genealogy is welcome. Try to catch a 5 Generation Chart if you can if already doing Genealogy.

Open to all,


SusiCP@cox.net

GLAZE, TURNIPSEED, CORE, TWAY, ETC

GLAZE- George(1760 abt) m.Catherine Turnipseed( her father Rev. War)
GLAZE-Benjamin (1805) m. Sarah Core (Ohio)
GLAZE-Catherine m. Levi TWAY (he may have gone to Texas or it could be his cousin)
TWAY- Willis Adam b. 1857 Ohio
TWAY- Nathanial m. Sophia Burton SALMON both b. around 1800 (Ohio)
SALMON- solomon m. Rozilla BURTON ( both d. in Ohio)
TWAY- John (NJ b. m. Sarah Hempstead both died in Ohio)


MORRIS- Hyrum Bowles (1863 b. Utah) m. Eliza SMITH
MORRIS- Hyrum Bowles( 1821 b. Boonesville KY) m. Eleanor Crawford Roberts(both died in Mesa AZ) her father Adonijah ROBERTS
MORRIS-Thomas (b.1783 Monongalia, VA) m. Sophia TALBOT
her parents Nicholas Raegan TALBOT and
Aria KENNEDY
MORRIS-Morris(1761 KY) m. Sarah CUSHMAN(1766 -Monongalia VA)
her parents Thomas CUSHMAN and Mary FRAZEE
POMEROY I have back to 1500's,
DROLLINGER, dAVIS OR DAVIES( Franklin Judson and Powell of NY
)KIDD, COOK, LOTTHOLTZ, HASTINGS, STERLING,
LYMAN, HUNT (last 2 are back around 1700.

gardenh2os@cox.net

Chasing Names and Chasing Places JIPP

This last week we went to meet a possible cousin of my dcd mother in law Louise Jipp Pentico.

Mary and I found Elkie Diehl in Germany a few years back and she has a Ggrandmother that was a JIPP.
Same region our Jipp comes from.

This week I meet a man that was a good resemblance of my husband in two dominate ways.

When Sis and I were walking back to meet this man she said, " Your right he does look like my brother."

So was there a Jipp way back some where that interlinks all these lines? It appears it may be the case.

Mom was from the lines near Wangels, We think the town of Grammdorf or very near. We have some

different information regarding the different places.

Are their other JIPP/JEPP researchers out there looking. Schleswig-Holstein area.

Jipps in Dohnsdorf dots over the o for sound. Who are they anyone know them?

WE do not know where Christian Frederick Jipp was born or buried. Believe them to be Lutheran, and they had two
Pastors as children. Charles was one. Ernest was the other one.

Christian Frederick Jipp was born 18 Sept 1824, marries Sophia Hammerich born 16 May 1835 in Holstein.
Children are:
Ernst b 27 June 1857
Wilhelmine b 24 March 1860 d 14 June 1862
Elizabeth b 14 June 1862
Henry, b 29 April 1864
Charles b 15 Aug 1866
Caroline b 10 Nov 1869
Herman, b 31 Jan 1874


Christian JIPP was a carpenter he died 4 Feb 1881 in Grammdorf, Germany at the age of 57.

In 1882, Sophia Jipp and her sister, Mrs. Grunwald brought the five children to America.

Ernst their oldest child came to USA in 1874 at age of 16. He studied to be a minister and died at age 23 in Iowa, in 1880,
prior to his father's death in Germany.

Later I can post the Picture of Mr. Jipp that we have. Charles JIPP was the father of Louise Jipp Pentico, who looks like the Karl Jipp in a German Advertisement.

My Latest Adventure

My latest adventure was today, presenting data about the easy way to start your research. When working the table for more internet data and other information I was surprised and delighted to meet a potential new cousin and I sure hope they come back to another event and share more information.

It was interesting how all the pieces came together for this event. As we were putting this information together the mouse slipped and the frames changed. We both liked the new frame better. Mr. Jones where are you?

Other events happened through out the development of this program that were done the same way. I like intervention by the unknown it always seems to bring about a positive results.

So Mr. Lee I hope to hear from you soon.

To all those that helped even in an unknown way I want to say "THANK YOU" yes I meant THANK YOU. The event was a success we think. The feed back was very positive.

For those who had suggestions, ideas and thoughts along the way, Thank You.
Gary for your patience in melding my MAC WORD to your PC WORD Thank You.

A synopsis of the event can be found at my other blog site.

http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/2010/04/laundry-basket-research-genealogy-easy.html

Chula Vista Genealogy Society Seminar 24 April 2 pm

THE CHULA VISTA GENEALOGY SOCIETY is meeting 24 April 2010

Where: South Branch, Orange and Fourth, Chula Vista,

Time: 1:30 program starts at 2pm

Cost: FREE

Enjoy, have fun learning the non costly way to start doing genealogy.

Learn what the society can do to help you that is also free.

Genealogy does not have to be costly, expensive or not fun.

Share with others and find more distant relatives or other information
you may desire.

Watch WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? tonight on NBC 8pm

It will give you a clue as to what you may be able to learn.

Share time with new friends and start a new adventure.

Speakers are Susi Pentico, Past President and Gary Brock President

Ideas and Thoughts

I have a strong thought about posting things that happen in our community that are affiliated with Genealogy. I stress that it may be a to political type item so many times I refrain.

Suspecting our community is loosing valuable knowledge because I have yet to figure
what the political out fall may be.

Truly admiring those who leap in and stomp and chomp and comment on some of the things I see.

Noticing also that if we do not step up to the plate, so to speak we are going to be loosing more knowledge and thoughts and ideas to carry us forward.

One topic is Libraries, another is Court Houses and their data. I for one, am
extremely upset over the mining that is ripping up graveyards and tombstones and adding it to the coal mines resources to go to ones homes to be used or factories to be burnt. Yes this is happening as we speak. Someone else blogged on it last week when my computer was down.

I thought our government had a handle on the destruction of cemeteries, especially if there was an Indian potentially buried there. Though I think that should not matter so much as the destruction of the site period.

Would this government that is doing everything but wiping our back sides actually pay attention to laws that are there that need addressed maybe things would be different. We surely do not need this myriad of new laws that have taken away college loans and already changed many peoples Health Care program.

Thought we were told it did not affect us only those without insurance. WRONG
Thought they wanted us finish the education that was so nearly completed. WRONG
Does not pay to think. They don't...

I am not for all these things that will wipe our country off the map with debt and
the playing field.

Our Court Houses and Libraries should be successful and the government needs to
realize that there are ways to survive with out destroying what you have.

I do not think it wrong to pay $10 a year to have access to a library. After all
the people won't increase taxes for fear of money going wrong place so put money where you want it on your own. I am sure if everyone whom used the library paid ten dollars a year they (Libraries) would not be in the mess they are. It is our Libraries and our country. At least until some one else gets a hold of it.

Court Houses have money to make if they would only utilize their goods. I know of
places that have turned a pain in the neck to one Court House into a money making
revenue bringing in event at another. One does not even have to reinvent the wheel.

So I woke up this morning thinking of the blog I read at Library last week regarding the mining of the cemeteries because they are out on hillsides away from
main stream public.

The library became involved because they keep cutting and playing and totally confusing the very people they were put here to serve. I can not remember what day,
what time and when which one is open. One needs a calendar to keep track of this.
I truly believe if you have 300,000 people in the region or if you even had 400 people
to have the library available to use by the people a nominal fee of $10 a year, would be acceptable.

So that is my Monday Madness. I really must be mad to jump into a political agenda for the day but they do affect genealogists.

Family History Center Library Trip Wednesday

Everyone that comes to the Lemon Grove Meetings for Genealogy, remember this is the
Wednesday we go to the Family History Center Library in Mission Valley.
I am aware many are going straight from work and some are going early.
I am going to be picking up Clayton and Patty? Is that all?

Kathy, Karen, Arlene I think I recall your driving? Cathy I have not heard from you
as to your going?

Heads up as a reminder. Will email later for follow up.

Next Adventure Lemon Grove Group

The Lemon Grove Group will be adventuring over to the Family History Center,
in Mission Valley on the next meeting night. April 21, 2010.

We are going in mini groups and individually from work spaces to the library.
We hope that everyone has gotten the word and can join us on this evening.

We picked this night partially due to invitation and partially because some
worked near the facility and would be easier for us all to join there.

It is hoped the next trip we do,will be on a Saturday. I even have the library picked out to go to next. Anticapating meeting 4 pm and come home around 8 pm.

Due to computer not working properly at this time please contact me via my phone number at 619 623 5250.

Friday 's Blog to follow

I posted it on this blog so you will see there is more than one blog to look at when researching.

http://drbilltellsancestorstories.blogspot.com/


If you have not enjoyed his site before please go and enjoy..

Bill thanks for all you do.

Lemon Grove meeting is next Wednesday

Lemon Grove meeting is the 1st Wednesday of April and 3rd Wednesday of April.


I know it messes everyone up when we get an extra week. Also Caesar Chavez day so Library is closed this Wednesday.

If your craving a meeting maybe we could do this at Anna's. But you will need to
let me know.

Remember the 3rd Wed of April we meet and go to the LDS Library in the valley.


Everyone have a blessed Holiday Season.

Colonial Small Beer compliments of Roberta Estes

My cousin spent his career being one of the tavern proprietors in Williamsburg, having retired not long ago. He literally became that man, and you can still tell it too when you talk to him.

He sent this along, and I thought everyone might enjoy it.

Hi Folks:
As most of you know I live in Williamsburg,Va. and have lived in the 18th century for 5 days out of a week. Here is some information from the 18th century:

In the 1700s and early 1800s,almost everybody drank beer and or wine. Mother made "small beer" for the family to have at the table for meals. SO! just in case you would like to bring back a "family tradition" here's how:
COLONIAL SMALL BEER
Start by boiling molasses, hops, and wheat bran, followed by straining the mixture and adding yeast for the fermenting process. Expensive malted barley was sometimes replaced by cornstalks or pumpkins. It retained the molasses taste.


Now for the adults:
PORTER BEER-see above, but made with a mixture of burnt molasses and sugar for color plus licorice for taste.

More wisdom from the 18th century. Dr. Ben Franklin said: " There are more old drunkards than old doctors";
"If God had not wanted you to drink ale he would not have fashioned your elbow to bend so"!


Enjoy!!!

robertajestes@att.net mailto:TLCGP-members@yahoogroups.com The Lost Colony

Irish Research in Lemon Grove 17 March 2010

We started with a map with many herald names on it. It was passed around for
everyone to see if their Irish name was on it. Some met with success for surname.
We then passed around some books on Ireland that I had on my shelf regarding the
county. I also shared a book from 1890's I had gotten on Dublin.

Maps were shared from a book I had acquired so that all could see the region we
would be mostly addressing this evening.

My source book for the information was: MODERN IRELAND 1600-1972 by R E FOSTER
The Penguin Press

I scoured the index and the following chapters I addressed to the audience due to
the nature of the information, and Americans.

Ulster Migration p 215-216
Emigration 44-45
Famine 1600-1639 and 1674-1675
Irish language
Journalism 18th century puppets 183-184 etc p667
Landlordism 132-3
Emigration to America 215-6, 345 to 349, 350, 253-62, 459

Some early newpapers were: Dublin Evening Post, Dublin Gazette, Dublin Joural, very
early newspapers existed.

Due to some interesting events between the Scottish and the British there became a
change in Ireland. I am not going to go into that, save for another day.
But the Scots appeared to have a hand in the mixes that occurred, much in book.

But because Irish data was requested I presented data about the development of the
area that the first emigrees seemed to have come from and why and where the went to
settle.

The Irish were settlers of this land prior to the English and for all the warring
they did and did not do the method for retaining civilty within their tribes
was admired by the English so much so that they adapted many of their laws from the
"TUETH" a Irish rule they lived by. Religion and Politcs were mixed and accepted.

The Irish lived according to their economy. 1600's time line we did not talk of
previous times. When the flax seed was shipped in the ships went back to America
empty. The flax seed obviously was grown and harvested to
make linen. Linen was the market of the day.

When the markets went down people were unemployed and starving, when market up
they worked and enjoyed life a bit.

The political arena was worried about the Pope having more control over their land
so the passed a law " 1704 Act to Prevent further Popacy." There by they had
more control on home soil.

The Dessenters were barred from holding public office, barred from town
corporations, until the 1770's.

As time marched on by 1770 Protestants were the Professionals, and the Catholics
were the laborers.

In 1730, the prosperity was up and by 1760's was up again. It was up and down and up
and down.

By 1603, the people had already started to distrust the Catholics. So it took 100
years for the Popacy act. It took another 75 before the Protestants were on top.

Ulster was the area dominately held by the Ulster Men. Which came from a politcal
agreement with the Scots mostly.

By 1613 there was bitter rivalary with Old Ireland and New Ireland.

The peoples were fisherman and worked in Newfoundland for a season and came
home and went back. The others were farmers and coastal fisherman and planters.

The wools and yarns Ireland is known for today was not in existence like today.

Linen was the fabric of the day.

Migration started when the ships realized they could make money taking people
away and not having an empty ship and carry rock as ballast. So they started
charging a small fee to carry Irish to America and other ports that they would
be landing at.

People in Ireland at this time were of many nations due to many previous wars
and they had not gone home afterward. Their were French, Huguenots, German Pal-
atinate's and Moravians that lived in Ireland.

North America was the destination of choice for Ulster Irish through West Indies,
where many did stay. Pre 1720, New England was the favored destination then
Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Carolina. The land and religous freedom
drew them from the turmoil of Ireland. (found this odd because others said
many and many did settle in the Shanandoah Valley, VA area)

By 1720 the rate increased and sped up then slowed down then up again. By 1760
20,000 took ships from Ulster ports claiming 1770's at least 30,000 left.
1770-74 2/5 of total emigrees were from Ulster up to 250,000 people also
included Anglicans, 100,000 Catholics from the south in the same time period.

A key difference in the Irish immigrants was the Ulster families arrived as
families the women went with the men with children. The other Irish only
the men came and this stayed same until 19th century. This was not done
anywhere else but Dublin, whole families.


In 1790, they found many French had stayed after the (7 Year War),
There were so many wars I did not go into the internal turmoil in Ireland
politically, Obviously from some time in the early 1500's forward, the'
unrest was present and active.

Ulster Society structure where readiness to move, settle and subdue land was
traditional, re religion and cultural apartness, enabled communities to
emigrate and stay together. Ships brought flax seed from American and emigrants
came back to America on the same ship.

By 1790, the north was driving out the Catholic families from Armagh, the most dense
populated city in Ireland and south of Derry. (So this statement implies different
than another chapter that this group was Catholic that was coming to America but the
time frame is later than the first people coming in the early 1700.s) ( Interesting
because I always thought it was the Ulster people that run the Catholic to America)
Obviously time line makes a difference as to which group came.

Another interesting fact was that not Boston, Chicago and New York were the dominate
land for the Catholics. They first settled in the south and created a diocese.
More tidbits in this time frame were: Liverpool was 25% Irish in 1851.
England and Wales in 1841-51 were 79% increase in Irish.

1800 Migration figures

1815-45 1,000,000 to probably 1,500,000
1845-1870 3,000,000 left
1890 3,000,000 Irish are living over seas. Of this number 39% had been born in
Ireland.

No where near full data but just highlights to help in your Irish research.

Lemon Grove Irish Meeting

Hi everyone, when I return from Los Angeles I will send out notices with urls and information for you to use. Thank you all for attending the Irish Learning Event.

I will post some Irish learned data on this blog also but wanted to tell everyone thanks
for coming and sharing those surnames and places.

Was great to see new faces and learn of new places.


http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nytigs/ Troy Irish web site .. for all Irish not just Troy and for all nationalities not just Irish. :>)


http://www.ourfamilyhistories.com/hsdurbin/ my home web page many names



http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/ blog I have to share


http://www.genealogywise.com/profiles/blog/list?user=15f4r0lkclk6m another with
great potential for more help. It has online chats and society groups you can join for free.


For those who want to try FACEBOOK.COM after you sign in look for the little blue and lite blue people figure on bottom of page it takes you to the groups lists.
Many hundreds of lists for all over USA. Also NEHGS , OGS Ohio Genealogical Society, and others no fees involved in this area.

http://www.sampubco.com/ another site I use to look for wills,probates available free to learn not free for data. A good site.

rootsweb.org is good a part of ancestry but free.

My favorite to use site to start always is usgenweb.org. Does state, county and
lots of pertinent knowledge to guide your research.

Saint Patrick's Day is coming Wed Lemon Grove Library

Greetings all, we will be doing a wee bit of Irish on Wednesday evening at the Lemon Grove Library across from St.John The Cross Catholic church and in corner of the mall where Anna's is located on the corner of Broadway and Washington St..

It sets back in the corner it is not out front. Steigers Florist is also in this shopping mall.

We will meet at 6 pm.

I bit of Irish History, some research Urls and data to be presented.

The Irish heritage are all over the USA.

San Diego Genealogy Society March 13, 2010

The Society meeting today was fun and informative. I loved how he said," Go ahead
and read it." Then everyone one chuckled or so it seemed it tickled everyone.

Now whom am I speaking of, why the speaker of today's event is who. Wayne Anderson
whom is from north county area, at least that is what was implied.

I thought his hand out for the first talk fit the bill very well. I am not sure how
I would have made the second one different but when dealing with the three lines of
confusion it tended to get confusing to follow some times. I think the point was
well taken that just because the records imply one thing does not mean it is the
right fact for that situation or family.

His first talk on WHEN THE ABSENCE OF INFORMATION WAS A CLUE, discussed the lack
of records and naming patterns used in Sweden and other countries. The patronymic
naming patterns and the use of the man named LARS his son was son and daughter
was dotter Lar son and Lars dotter. He followed this out a couple of generations
showing how the names change as the descend from Lars. This method was used until
into the 20th century.

When working with the absence of sources, one must use a compilation of data
to find the end results, also ask for help when you are in need, proving what
you have learned so it will hold up to scrutiny and is accurate.

He stated in 1686 all Parishes in Sweden had to keep records of all the citizens.
They also did a Annual Clerical Survey, including people moving in and out of the
area. People seemed to need to get approval from the church to move from one
place to another. I understood that they did this until 1991.

Military had Muster Rolls which also kept track of where their service men
were at all times. Sometimes these were well kept as I understood it and alas
some times not as well. These Rolls would list the parents and where the individual
was from, birth, christening and their children. But they only mustered in the
spring and were let off in October. His ancestor served for more than 20 years this
way but because he had no permanent home to go to he was a wanderer. So records
were way more difficult. It was the Service records in the end that saved him.

Service men were given different names when entering the service and many applied to
plants, animals and places. Ironic if a person left the service the one replacing
him may be given the same name. It must have been terribly confusing to company
comandants to keep track of his men.

He also mentioned that almost all of Sweden at this time was farmers and farms
were given names and that also can become involved in the naming of a person, If
I understood him correctly. He mentioned women kept their name for life, even
afte marriage it did not change. Men's names as you can see obviously could and would
change a few times in their life time.

In regards to records kept it came to light that a class of people were basically
left out of the rolls and they were the ROMA (gypsy).

It was his use of many sources that helped him to determine what he was not finding
and to resolve his issues with the ancestors. It also took many trips to SLC and
over seas to realize what he was missing. Once it was obvious then he could apply
himself to that situation and resolve the ancestry of the family.

Yes, he descends from Gypsy's I truly envy him. but I do not envy him the work
and patience it took him to resolve his brick walls.

WHAT WE LEARNED ON THE WAY TO PROVING SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE

The second talk was on a family that was in Maryland and North Carolina, it also
came with many discrepancies. It seems he has a very prominent line in this region
and no one seems to have done a major research to resolve some glaring discrepancies
in the lineage. Aha, 1. a mother can not have a child when only 5 years old.

He commented that when your using a tree on Ancestry make sure it is documented and
documented properly or to only use as a guide. I have also found that to be true.

Due to the lack of data in the time period he was searching it was hard to gather
the evidence needed to verify or prove right or wrong the trees already on line
regarding this family.

He took us through the steps he used to verify the correct lineage of three lines
on this tree. These lines tended to interlink so I think that is why he used all
three but it was a wee more difficult to follow.

Much of the land inherited was under English Common Law which meant if the
1st son was alive he inherited the land with out WILL. No paper trail then occurred.

17th Century Parish records were Register's of the people, Court Records, Land and
Wills were the most evident for research. Most links are located via land and
Wills in this time period. I thought it interesting he did not mention tax records.

English Common Law is as this: no Will needed if they had a oldest son to enherit,
or could be willed to the oldest son with a stipend to others, only descendants
by full blood could inherit, a widows dower would cover the needs of the widow
until she died or remarried. The land stayed with the son it never went to the widow.
The dower share was normally 1/3 of profits, lands etc. This was to support her
til her death.

In the absence of data one has to set up a hypothesis of what is needed. One
is then to work on that and not get off the path or you can get into big trouble.
Check the Facts, is Hypothesis true or not, check out all data, construct a time
line, what are the requirements for proof.

A big comment he made and showed us is to check the original sources because
ABSTRACTS are copied and errors can be made.

Lastly, just because 100 people have a tree with this data does not make it
true only the proven sources can justify the real answers to the lineage.

SO THIS GOES BACK TO SITE YOUR SOURCES. :>)

NEHGS Featured in Who Do You Think You Are? Premiere

NEHGS Featured in Who Do You Think You Are? Premiere

The long-awaited premiere of Who Do You Think You Are? took place last Friday evening, March 5, and earned NBC the second place slot for viewers according to Nielsen. The first episode featured popular Sex In The City actress Sarah Jessica Parker. Some of the research on Ms. Parker’s ancestry was done by NEHGS, and director of education and programs D. Joshua Taylor appears in the episode to share the results of our research. For those who missed it, the episode is available on many cable networks in the NBC on-demand section. It is also available online on Hulu at www.hulu.com/who-do-you-think-you-are. The show airs on Fridays at 8:00 p.m., and Gary Boyd Roberts will appear on the April 2 episode with actress Brooke Shields

Just for your information :)



Thanks Debby for sending to have me pass on.

Generations Project information can be found here.

My cousin found and sent me the link to the Generation Projects for us to view late.

Becky Thanks.. I understand they are run a couple times a week if you can find them on
on the TV. Probably our KPBS since its a BYU run program.


http://byutv.org/thegenerationsproject/

Mr. Bartosz Indian Research Information

Jeane Isreal and I attended the talk given by Daniel Bartosz on "Tracing Your American Indian Roots" both presentation 1 and 2. It was a great duel presentation by a very knowledge person on Indian heritage and history. His maps were excellent and requested by all. He did tell us where he found them. I liked that his sources were sited in the Syllabus. He also shared some links and much Indian History data on migration and displacement and inner marriages, wars. food raised, census data and much more.

It was amazing to hear, but not shocking to learn that there were 55 Million to 100 Million Indians in the America's pre European Invasion time. Some thing I had heard in family he confirmed that the Scotch Irish were the early trappers and traders and intermarried with the Indians.
He commented on the fact that Tobacco, Rice and Indigo were the main products grown by the colonies pre Revolutionary War before the demand of cotton and the desire of Indian lands. He talked about Major Ridge and the battles held over Indian lands.

He discussed the various: Indian Census, Annuity and Court of Claims Records, Federal Census and their recording there with variants, BIA Agency Records, BIA Indian Census Rolls (1885-1940), Indian Schools records, Removal Census and Muster roll records (especially of the Five Civilized Tribes), Land Allotment Records of the General Allotment Act of 1887, and BIA Agency Records and the Tribal Office Enrollment Records (for more full blood).

Today there are three main resources for American Indian Records of use in Genealogy.

a. The National Archives
b. The Family History Library and Centers
c. Internet Web Sites.

He mentioned the moving of the National Archives from Laguna Niguel to: 23123 Cajalco Rd, Perris CA 92570 which has data for Southern CA Indians, all of AZ and Clark Co NV.

Mr. Bartosz showed us an Indian Genealogy Chart which shows room for the Indian name and the Americanized name. I liked this feature very much. I suspect we could adapt it to other cultures also.

He mentioned that Church records were most dominant for research from 1500's forward for research. The chart he presented was from a modified older LDS research paper that was very informative in graph form.

His maps shown gave the placement of peoples at different times of development of the America's. Some migration maps were also used and explained. General Jackson was discussed in his start to have the Indians to be removed from their lands. Later after Jackson was President, he influenced congress to pass the 1830 Indian Removal Act to force southern tribes to relocate beyond the Mississippi river.

He talked about YDNA and Mtdna and it's accuracy and inaccuracy for Indian genetics.

He referenced several good books to use in our research and some interesting web sites to explore for more information.

His talk is given in a four-hour event at Los Angeles area and so when his presentation ended he was able to go back and add data that people asked about. He said he would be glad to answer any questions we presented to him if he could.

He mentioned Barbara Renick's zeal and desire to help gather information and make it available to us at her site. http://www.zroots.com/ .


He mentioned using Google in our research to learn more information and to garner some more maps. He said there were about “eight” search engines - but Google seems to be the top one over all. He mentioned Wikipedia has quality information on Indian tribes for their history, culture and current status.

Mr. Bartosz said one of the best sites was http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/

It is about Native American Indian Genealogy.

He mentions online Native American Genealogy Records and Databases at:

http://www.genealogybranches.com/nativeamericans.html

He also goes back and mentions the FamilySearch "Wiki" at

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Main Page

As a paid subscription he mentions http://www.ancestry.com

He lists some other good map sites to try.

He mentions references to African American Kinship Records…such as Eleanor' L Denson Wyatt web site “Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes – Black Indians”…that is loaded with databases and a true labor of love. Also a book by Angela Y Walton-Raji that is well written on African American Indian records that is now out of print but could be obtained on a inter library loan.

I look forward to learning more from him in the future. Thanks Mr. Bartosz for such a great presentation.

Susi Pentico SusiCP@cox.net

Chula Vista Genealogy Society, San Diego Genealogy Society, NEHGS and others

http://susischattyperformances.blogspot.com/

also

http://ancestorseekersbytherootbound.blogspot.com/2010/02/genealogy-societies-and-why-to-join.html

Family History Fair in Escondido, Ca

Saturday morning I woke early and met Virginia and we went to the parking garage and met with other CVGS members to car pool to Escondido. Gary and I drove. It was a quiet and enjoyable ride up the road. No rain was in sight.

We attended the History Fair and learned many interesting and useful things to apply to our research methods and places to contact and events to go to for further research knowledge. Huntington Library we are tracking you next.

Jeanne Isreal and I attended a duel presentation given by Daniel Bartosz on researching
American Indians. Two different topics and loads of information in both. Presentation was so easy to follow with such a difficult subject we applaud you for your endeavors Mr. Bartosz. I loved that he sourced much of his material in the book for us to refer to when on our own. He also does a four hour presentation that I am most anxious to attend down the road.

I then went to lunch with Ruth, her Aunt and Ann Diffley. We discussed the topics we had already seen. We all seemed to feel we were learning an tremendous amount of good information for use in our research.

After lunch I went to the talk by Barbara Renick, I have enjoyed her talks for many conferences and always delight when I get to hear her speak and expound and exhilarate us with information and knowledge and ease of us to understand what she is saying.

Her easy way of presenting the data on her topic,"5 C's to Success in Genealogy Today", I would list them here but not sure that copyright laws would apply.
Her matra she learned to remember to site your source was excellent to help us all.
If she gives permission I will later share it here with you on another day.

I for one have said I get excited and forget to take the (where) when I find a very lost link in genealogy. At first I thought this method was a bit archaic but then thinking on it. If you write the source before you verify the data if it not yours you just delete if yours you have not forgotten to take it with you.

She is always so informative and shares great visual aids to back up her talk.
Thanks again Barbara for such a great presentation. My four hours of sleep the night before hindered setting very long but I did listen to you speak. Thanks .


After this I checked at our booth and wandered a bit to get some air in my lungs and clear the fog that had tried to settle in from lack of sleep. I then popped into
Jean Hibben's talk and stayed for her second one also. Virginia came in and shared the second one as did Gary.

It was a great event and the societies that were there were varied and numerous: Sons of Norway, A Scottish one, CW southern and CW northern, War of 1812, many of the variant genealogical societies in our county also.

MORTESHED and Variants

MORTESHED, (that came from Ireland to Maryland) ranging from 1737 to 1885, 4 + generations and my mother whom was born in Ohio.

In West Harrison, Ind. 47060-9626, there is a road called Morteshed Roads as of July
1, 2009. It is near Franklin Indiana.

This name can be mistaken as MORACHAD or MORTENSEN by the census taker.

My sister found a Bakery in Germany with a name of MORTASHED's.

In Denmark, there was MORTENSON, the connection is unknown at this time.

Is anyone working on this surname?

rayerpayer@hotmail.com

William Dikes/DYKES

William Dikes/DYKES was born August 1838 d Nov 1876, married 6/1858, Abigail C JOHNSON.

In 1870, family is in Burnham, Texas, children include:

Charles Bell Dikes b 2-16-1867* my line

James E Dikes 1-16-1861
Lauretta Dikes 2-26-1864
Lucy Dikes 8-17-1869
Robert Boone Dikes 12-06-1870
John Marion Dikes 10-31-1873
Leetie Lee 6-19-1880

William Dykes was in the 19th Regiment, Texas Calvary, Burford's Calvary

After William's death Abigail in 1880 moves to Haskell County Texas.

Looking for William's parents and kin.

Ruthhiman@yahoo.com

Lawrence McGRATH

Lawrence McGrath was born 23 May 1866 Arichat N.S

married 7 Jan 1911 to Myrtle May AIKENS
in Concord, Mass. She recieved a pension after his death.

His boat/ship was comandeered during WW1 and it was a fishing schooner. He joined the service Navy in 1917.

Died 17 October 1934 in Gloucester, MA has Death Certificate.


He joined the Navy in Boston 4 Sept 1914. Appreciate any help you can give on this
ancestor.

My desire is to learn more about his military career. He was a fisherman prior to the service.


Barbara Cruz 619 465-8837

PATRICK CONNELL

Cathy is looking for her family


Allison CONNELL b 10-29-1971 died 10-18-2009 Egg Harbor, New Jersey
I believe this is her obit and her birthdate is listed as 1970.

Allison Connell
Egg Harbor, N.J.
Formerly of Swisshelm Park
Allison Connell, of Egg Harbor, N.J., formerly of Swisshelm Park, died Sunday, Oct. 18, 2009. Beloved daughter of Julia E. Miller and her husband, Toby, of Ligonier, and the late Edward Connell; loving sister of Jeanne Petrovich and her husband, Paul J., of Shaler Township, Edward "Freshie" Connell and his wife, Vanessa, of Oakmont, Adriane Connell, of Egg Harbor, N.J., Randi Goulding, of Latrobe, Zachariah R. Connell, of Long Island, N.Y., and the late Patrick and Naomi Connell; dear aunt of Andrew, Francis, Emily, Diana, Leah, Amanda Jacob, Sebastian, Gage and Riley. Friends received from 2 to 8 p.m. Thursday only at the THOMAS L. NIED FUNERAL HOME INC., 7441 Washington St., Swissvale. Mass of Christian Burial at 10 a.m. Friday in St. Anselm Roman Catholic Church. The Nied Funeral Home is a proud member of the Good Grief Center. www.niedfuneralhome.


Patrick CONNEL b 1886 d 1963

Naomi CONNELL died 2009 43 years old.

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Francis Manuel Jr of Virginia

Genealogy member Kathy is looking for information on her family.

Francis Manuel Jr. b abt 1753 Farquier Co. VA and died 1818.
His children were:

Francis Manuel 111 b 1780

Peyton Manuel b 1781 d 1857

Anderson Manuel b 1782

She is searching for the wife of the above Francis Manuel Jr.

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Unidentified Kin OLIN -LAWRENCE- HELDRETH

Carol would love some help on these ancestors.

Medius W Olin b 1866 - d 19?? born Sweden lived in Nebraska 1870 to 19??
Malmo Saunders County 1870 - Omaha 1902 Boyd Co 1910

Anna Olin Malmo Saunders Co. NE 1870, - Hay Springs NE 1902 was married and to whom?

William Wood Lawrence born PA 1820 Union Army Civil War Battle of the Wilderness captured taken to Andersonville Prison and died there according to family information.
His daughter Martha Ann Lawrence married John BURNETT had two sons : Daniel (her Grandfather) and David.

George Vinton HILDRETH born abt 1850 Boston Mass area. 1st mar Susannah Albenia Taylor from Ireland.
2nd wife Rebecca Chamblerlin, he had 11 children including Madeline my Grandmother.

You may reach Carol at Carol Lethbridge, P O BOX 153020, San Diego 92115 or via this page or my email SusiCP@cox.net.

Thanks for any help. Her documents were all lost in a move so having to start over.

Elizabeth (?) DIPPEL BECKER

Clayton Douglas Becker is the grandson of this Elizabeth (?) DIPPEL BECKER.

She last lived and died in Mildmay, Ontario, Canada in the 1950's.


She married Jacob (unk) BECKER This was Grandpa Becker's second marriage.

He is in need of proof of family for citizenship.

Would appreciate feedback from Canadian researchers.



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Agnes Diffley (WEBB)

Ann Diffley is looking for information on her ancestor:

Agnes WEBB Diffley she was the wife of Oscar Diffley

mother of Herbert Oscar Diffley.

Birmingham, Alabama area.

She will be sending more information regarding dates to add to this
blog query.

Lemon Grove Meeting March 3, agenda planning

Greetings everyone,

This meeting we will plan our trip to the LDS Library in Mission Valley.

We will discuss the trip to Escondido Seminar, free and car pooling available with
CVGS.

We will talk about the upcoming Jamboree in June in Burbank.

I will tell you of the new scheduled events happening with the CVGS and the hours we
are going to be available to help researchers that work during the day.

I am hoping you can all make it. Lots of good things happening and we can adjourn early so you can go home to watch the Genealogy program on TV if you wish at 8 pm.

Do not forget to watch the program on KPBS on Friday about WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE.

Los Angeles Library Trip by SDGS

HI, Everyone in San Diego, National City, Chula Vista, Bonita, Spring Valley etc,


San Diego Genealogical Society is having a trip to Los Angeles City Library. March 20th.
$40 for members $45 for non members.

This is a super bargain, One entire floor of library is donated to Genealogy. Awesome resources for New York. The black hole state.

The bus will be leaving the VA Admin area in Mission Valley at 7:30 am and we will be back home in the evening. You may pack a lunch or buy there.

Please contact: With Kris permission here is data

Thank you for your early response – we will need a minimum of 24 registrations for the trip to be made. At this time we have only twelve. We anticipate receiving more registrations, but our treasurer has asked that we hold the checks until the minimum number is reached. The deadline for registering is March 12.

Kris

kristeenealogy@cox.net http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~casdgs/

Kristeen McCollough
Special Events Director
San Diego Genealogical Society
619.820.2552

Wednesday is Research Day

See you all at the library WED 6 pm. IF want can break a bit early to have you home in time to watch the TV program on Genealogy.

Do not forget Monday and Wednesday and Friday all have Genealogy on TV this week.

Susi

Faces of America 24 Feb 2010

Did you get the chance to watch this program tonight? Did you learn of the connection between two of the attendees. Do you remember how far back the one genealogy went?

Here is hoping it helped all to learn we are all a bit of everyone and we need to be
open in mind and thought about the human race.

How lucky those people were that the data found was so ancient and so well documented.

Yes we can, find much like that in doing our research, it takes patience and perseverance to accomplish.

I loved best the idea you could procure the data to share with a society or group of people to help enhance the desire to learn about ones past through lives of their ancestors.

Margaret Lewis and CVGS Meeting 24 Feb 2010

We were privileged to have Margaret Lewis as our speaker and her topic was
"WRONG NAME, RIGHT MAN===RIGHT NAME, WRONG MAN".
She showed us that name spelling is not relevant in research in the manner one would expect. She had documents, yes official documents with duel spellings of the name on same paper. She presented this in more than one case or name.
She shared naming patterns that tend to be accurate in most research in America, though not all.
She discussed the use of our Chamber of Commerce which I also mentioned in January that so many tend to forget. She gave the example of what she garnered by using the Commerce for contact in her research.
She showed how the term Colonel can some times mean only a southern gentleman not a man of military office.

Her charts were easy to follow and she really had lots of people asking very good questions. Such as "What is a Delayed Birth Certificate?" Which she explained is a document issued by the state after the fact of birth. She related her family member needed one and they had to get friends, neighbors to verify that the incident happened on that date at that time and they were there. (My father needed one when Social Security took effect and he was in his 30's.)

She talked about sharing her time at the LDS Library in Mission Valley on Thursday evenings. She mentioned various trips to learn about family and the discrepancies that constantly kept showing up that had to be resolved, ie naming confusion, from first last name to only initials to mixed first name middle initials and last name. One ancestor she had, showed 6 different names for all the same person.

She stressed to never ignore a name that may fit the family. To look at the neighbor names on the census or documents because some times that is the answer to the confusion.

At times the information is more important in telling you the answers than the name you may be looking for. If the information looks right, it very possibly is correct.

Margaret thanks for such a well presented topic.

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Wdnesday's Program Chula Vista Library "Margaret LEWIS"

The February 24th Program Meeting of the Chula Vista Genealogical Society features a presentation by Margaret Lewis titled “Wrong Name, Right Man – Right Name, Wrong Man.” The meeting is from 12 noon until 2 p.m. in the Chula Vista Civic Center Library Auditorium (365 F Street in downtown Chula Vista).

Our February program concerns names and their variations. Genealogists often disregard valid information for an ancestor because of the way a given name or surname is spelled. Surnames were spelled by literate record takers primarily by sound, and the spelling of a particular name would vary depending on who was speaking and who was translating the sound into written form. Record takers would spell names as they heard them. In this talk, African-American names, Native American names, Hispanic names, translated or abbreviated names, first and middle names, senior and junior, nicknames, initials for names and traditional naming patterns will be discussed.

Margaret Lewis is the Vice President of the San Diego African American Genealogy Research Group (SDAAGRG). She is a compelling and influential voice in the genealogy community and advocates for the study of Family History. Her genealogical specialty is in Military and Slave Research. She is known for her boundless enthusiasm, and has provided genealogical workshops and presentations in California, Arizona and Nevada.

Her love for genealogy is expressed through her many published articles, and a family poem “Ancestral Roll Call.” Margaret volunteers as a contributor to the Find-A-Grave web site transcribing obituaries and family photos. She is also a consultant at the San Diego Family History Center on Thursday evenings as a Consultant on African-American Genealogy.

Margaret was honored with an “Outstanding Community Service Award” by the Lambda Kappa Mu Sorority, Alpha Gamma Chapter, for her contributions to African-American Genealogy Research. She is a certified member of the International Society of Sons and Daughters of Slaves Ancestry and the Daughters of the Union Veterans Nancy Hanks Lincoln Tent #5, and a member of the Ninth and Tenth Horse Cavalry Association of the Buffalo Soldiers.

Please enter the auditorium through the conference room door (on the east hallway at the library) in order to register your presence, pick up a handout, buy an opportunity drawing ticket, and have a snack before the meeting. Refreshments will be available after the meeting in the Conference Room.

For more information about this program, or about the Chula Vista Genealogical Society, please contact Barbara (email baribai@cox.net, phone 619-477-4140.

Compliments of Randy Seaver's notice.

52 Weeks Challange 8 online maps collections

Hi everyone I use maps extensively in my research. I use online maps when available.

The usgenweb.org site has many maps of various regions to be used with research in times past eras. Kentucky has a great one where it rotates through the development of the state via years. I have used some from Virginia also.

I also use maps that are printed by the government and private individuals. Dr. Hively has done a great service for those searching in York Co. PA.

I have no luck with google maps and I just tried them again today.

It was Dr Schweitzer that started my use of maps extensively. I love the use of a travel map and pins put for each name in a specific color and then you can see where the lines link up generally. It also helps you when data missing to know where you should be looking for missing data.

Alas most of my map sites are on the old aol platform and when we upgraded in December I have trouble attempting to retrieve them easily. It is the project my friend and I are working on now. But I am a major user of usgenweb sites and the maps they recommend.

Genealogy Societies and Why to Join them

A topic near and dear to my heart and mind. I am forever trying to convince people that a society is your next best friend if you do research in genealogy.

I will say I have heard some pretty sad stories from people across the US regarding the state of some societies and the non caring of helping their members. Now that indicates to me why some are failing. But let us look on the bright side.

Let us say you live at least 20 miles from a library and a society and you do not feel it worth being a member. You feel you never gain anything from them to help you.

Well, what have you done to help them? I find the more I help others the more knowledge I gain and the more information I have to share with others. That information is no good to me if I can not help others with it. I am not that big of an ID. Yes I apply that data to my research but why keep it to myself. One never knows when what you share may be the light bulb going on to help someone else. Many times even if I have read it before or heard it before someone else at that event may say it a bit different and then I know what I need to address in my research.


A societies benefits are varied. Let us start with fellow members in arms, then topics we all can share to assist us given by the society, newsletter, maybe a quarterly pamphlet, Yearbook of all members, (why so you can find whom else may be searching your same kin), Surname files, queries asked and answered, personal help on a specific problem in your research, computer knowledge shared at many societies today, knowledge learned about which program is best for your needs. Almost sure each society has a five generation surname chart filled out by their members for people to scan through, some even have this data up on line.

The speakers that may be brought in or knowledge shared by fellow members is always worthwhile and interesting and can be applied to your own research situations.

As genealogists we have learned to adapt to the changes brought about over the many
many years of research. Changes are many in the last 20 years and many more are coming
best place to learn about them is at your local or near local society.

Yes, you should join the society where you are doing the bulk of your research. You have many benefits by being a member. I helped one of my favorite societies to come up to speed into the modern world by acquiring a computer. They now have a web page.
That helps everyone.

I have to say I am a staunch supporter of the Chula Vista Genealogical Society and helped to co found it long ago. I was not active when it was finally completed but sat through many meetings to get us up and running in the 1980's. I went back to work and could only pop in once in awhile for a few more years.

I think of the 8 to 12 people who started it and today we have over 100 members again.
When I was President we also had a high number, My Huffman cousin was President a bit before me and that was so cool. Another learned cousin was President after me.

It is amazing the things one can learn and enjoy by being a member. It just could be they are setting there waiting for the push to be more involved. Anyone young or old can be a viable help to a society.

I am a member of the New England Historical Genealogical Society, Ohio Genealogy Society, Genealogical Society of Southwest Pennsylvania ,Washington Co. PA, Cornerstone Genealogical Society in Greene Co.PA, San Diego Genealogical Society and others. I have belonged to NGS the National Organization, Berkeley Co, VA society, Berks Co PA society, Also some that have folded, German Research Group of San Diego is no more, great group but run out of helpers.

I am looking forward to rejoining one national one that melded with another society creating a new organization.

I also recommend you rotate your membership if you have resolved problems in one area move the association with a new society to the area you are now researching.

Alas I have so much family from Washington, Greene and Fayette Co., PA I may never been done with them.

Let me share with you what Cornerstone Genealogy Society did for me, as a new member that lives in California many years ago and yet. I had belonged for a year or so and met many new cousins just from query's in the quarterly I received. I decided to go visit them and many new found cousins. I had already paid them to do some research to confirm some data before I came. The lady who did the research met me for breakfast my first day there. She gave me the names of various peoples in the town that could help me in my research in Waynesburg, PA. She also gave me names and addresses of other cousins I was not aware of. When I arrived at the library which they knew when I was coming, they had laid out 20 books for me to go through to find answers to the many questions I had asked them about. I will never forget their generosity and helpfulness.

It freed up my time to hunt for other books. I was able to get more data than I would have had time for if I had not talked to them ahead of time. They had copied the cards with surnames on it of other researches looking for my names. I spent several days in that library and at various cousins homes sharing family stories and events and comparing information and family knowledge.

I learned my Uncle had a twin as a distant cousin there named Jacob Huffman. My Aunt Mae now deceased also had a twin from another siblings line from Henry and Elizabeth Huffman Hoffman. We used many of the same words and terms when talking yet my family had left there by 1870s to IOWA. My Great Grandfather had gone back several times and my Grandfather went once as a 5 year old before he started school. Sanford I never learned if he got back even for his parents funerals. So we had hand written letters shared and not even phone calls until I came along. My Grandfather had migrated on to Wyoming where MOM was born so it was really amazing to see so much the same yet different. We definitely were related.

Join a society even if it's at a distance and learn as much as you can about the place and times they lived. It helps us also to grow in knowledge of ourselves.

O yes, if no Genealogical Society try a Historical Society that is what I had to do in
New York.

Resources for your use

http://thechartchick.blogspot.com/2010/02/family-chartist-adding-additional.html

She makes and creates charts for genealogical work.

FOULK Family Missing

MY GRANDMOTHERS'FAMILY


My Grandmother was a Foulk descendant from JOHN FOLK dcd 1793 Greenwich twp,Berks Co., PA. She had several siblings and I am just learning more about her Aunt's and Uncle's.

This family was born and raised in Iowa and Minn then lived in Wyoming as adults.

Children were: Grandma (Ida) Victoria Mae Foulk JONES NORRIS, Arthur (G Uncle Dick), Belva (Mrs Earnest Rice, Claude Oliver, Blanche, Ira E, Alvina (Mrs. Willis Kerns), and Herbert, (Great Uncle Herb)

I would love to find the children of Great Uncle Ira E Foulk but the cherished memories I get when I take out Great Aunt Alvina's album is priceless, which Dad inherited and passed on to me.

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