Sunday, June 18, 2017

Tracking your Ancestors----- Timelines, Census, Recorded Books.

  Tracking your Ancestors,  trusting you use: Timelines, Census, and Recorded Books.

 As I am from the old school, when census doesn't divulge information that work with a timeline,
 I like to go to published books.  Whether they are surnamed, autobiographies, or history books, they all carry data that genealogists should be using.

 If you are really stuck on computer research then remember to go back to the early computer records shared with society;,,, and others.

 Remember NARA, Library of Congress Records, Military Records, Medical Records both military and civilian.  Recently learning many states share a certain amount of medical data I was not aware of.

Of course Mortuary Records, Land Records, Probate's, Wills, Birth Records, Marriage Records, Annulments, Divorces, written local histories, local newspapers, County records and newspapers.

Do not ignore the states records: look at State Records and Newspapers, State Archives, etc.  I love the State Archives for information.

We have many places to garner information. Bottom line is ask family members, near and far and unknown.

Saturday, June 17, 2017

Transcribed Bible Page GRAVES, John and Sarah


John Graves born 13th of October 1770

Sarah Graves  was born scratched out
the wife of John Graves
was born 4th of October 1772

We were married the
2 nd of J---- Sept 1791

Benjamin Graves born 
of John and Sarah Graves
was born March----
the 7th 1798

John Graves jr the son 
of John graves and sarah
was born august 21 1790

Ellender Graves was born
9th of April 1795.

Margaret Graves born June
19th 1797

other side of line

Thomas Graves was 
born the 10th of March

Samuel Graves was born
July 15, 1802

Rebeccah Graves born
the 8th of November 1805  

Eliz ana Eliza was 
born July the 6th 1809

Susanna Graves
was born June 14?


Graves Bible page shown on previous entry. 

Thursday, June 15, 2017

Research Member needs help, Graves the last name

Shirley Becker at

Anyone out there researching GRAVES.  We need to find kin of this family.

John Graves,   Sarah Graves
Thomas Graves,

They were in New York, some  in PA.   Contact

Saturday, June 10, 2017

Never Ending Resources and Programs

Never Ending Resources and Programs

Having learned one can find a new program or search engine on an almost daily basis, I am hoping
to present to you all some of them.

Tina Sansone's presentation mentioned sites I had forgotten about. O we mortals of the creatures of habit. We find it, we like it,we use it.  Something new comes along and we repeat the process.

How many of you have tried the We're Related application that is affiliated with Ancestry in some format.?

Today I was talking to a long time acquaintance regarding a web site.  I was talking about We're  affiliated with Ancestry.  She was talking about this site.

 Enough  to make you think.  Another one was sent me last week but this is enough for now.

You may want to check them out and see if there  is help to be had by using any of them.

 The We' application I get on my  phone and I-pad.

 Today I was able to confirm 4 matches that came in this past week. Never would my Uncle believe that General Patton was a 3rd cousin. My Uncle had the privilege of defending General Eisenhower for a nap, when  G P was going to interrupt it.  The end was the General E said, "Carry On, I am going to finish my nap." and GP had to wait until he was called to the General E's tent.

I am going to share this with him soon. Since he is still with us.

Learning there are many genealogical programs people use that most of us never hear about.
They also suit the needs of some peoples research better than others.

Marti Lewis uses a very neat program and I keep saying I want to try it.  Judy just shared another,
suspecting there may be as many as 10 to 15 depending on where you live.
Some of them are free, some of them are fee.

So I will let you play with the two mentioned above before we muddy the waters and talk about more of them.

O yes, We' finally agreed that Shirley Becker and I are cousins.  We also found 4 other lines we definitely link on.

Enjoy and tell me if it helps you.

Thursday, June 8, 2017

Updating Society Schedule and News Presented

 Ceasar Castro and I attended the Bonita Vista High School Senior Scholarships and Achievement Awards.
 We presented to Andrew Eide a Check for $300.  He was also given a letter to attend our June picnic  and share his talk with the society. What a great story he shared.
 We like to meet the recipients and their families when we can.
 We have not heard back yet. We hope he comes to the program if he can.

  Our very first recipient is completing her education and we are very proud of her. She was a Chula  Vista   High School Senior.

 Ceasar and Virginia Taylor  did the presentation for Alejandro Valdez, at San Ysidro High School
 for the first  place application. He will be tied up with college data that week and not able to attend  our event. But  he is welcome, and parents to come to another meeting so the society can get to meet  him.

 We want to say, "Thanks", to the members of our society that voted to help fund a second applicant  for assistance.

 We yearly fund for $500.  In the past we have done more but it takes community support to make  that happen.

  The community should know that members wanted to do the second place person and so we had a    vote which they approved unanimously. Then an individual member donated even more to make it to   $300. for the second presentation. Thank you member for your terrific donation.

   Our donation button on the webpage does work.  Amazing what $5 from a multi group of people
   can do to help others.

   Our annual scholarship program is the object of most of our fundraising efforts throughout the year. In an effort to introduce young people to the subject of genealogy, a genealogical essay competition is open to all graduating seniors of the Sweetwater Unified School District and the winners receive cash awards to help with their post high school efforts.
The purpose of the Society is to promote general interest in the related fields of Genealogy, History, and Heraldry by individual and group effort.
These shall include, but not be limited to:
• Encouraging the exchange of group information.
• Coordinating research activities.
• Educating members to assist others in research.
• Acquiring and organizing research materials.
• Acquisition of books, manuscripts, and materials for the Chula Vista Public Library.
Society members are available for assistance at the Chula Vista Civic Center main branch on most Wednesdays from 10 am - noon in the Family History section.

 The new Application is being completed and the same  topic will be presented next year.
We think it helps to have the younger generation some knowledge about Veterans.

21 June We will be presenting the first half of Tina Sansone's Presentation.  It covers all over the world for urls and search engines. This will be at the Lemon Grove Library. 6 to 7:50 pm  There will be some Tennessee data included, but not the major  topic

1 July will be the DVD which Denise Levenick has given permission for me to share. Bonita- Sunnyside Library 1 to 4 pm. Paper or Plastic , Preserving Keepsakes Workshop.

18 July will be discussing our own Genealogy.  Why are you doing it? What are your plans for it? Have you started writing about your family for future generations?

 This is because so many travel and we want you to be prepared at least a wee bit before we loose you, so your family is not totally confused, with what you leave behind for
them to sort through and preserve.

Friday, June 2, 2017

Past and Present Pathways by Tina Sansone presented by CVGS

     Free to attend, Bonita-Sunnyside Library Community Room,4375 Bonita Rd,
     Bonita, CA 91902   1 to 4 pm

            Chula Vista Genealogical Society Saturday Workshop

CVGS Workshop:
"Past & Present Pathways"
Presented by: Susi Pentico for Tina Sansone
I am delighted to be able to offer you this presentation which Tina has given in the east coast area. Yes, she is related.

This event covers much Tennessee sources and east coast sources for researchers to use. It is filled with sites to explore and ideas from another mind. Excited for you all to see her presentation.
Photo of Tina Sansone
Tina Sansone is a Professional Genealogist that lives in Tennessee. She owns Past & Present Pathways, VP for the Second Life Virtual APG Chapter, 2nd VP for ISFHWE and background researcher for WDYTYA.

She recently started doing work with AncestorCloud where she researches and submits to their blog. She is the Genealogoy Editor & Ebook Manager for BellaOnline. She enjoys helping others with documenting for lineage groups and breaking down brick walls. She is also a wife, mother and grandma. She can be reached
Time is 1:00 to 4:00 pm, Please be prompt.

Please register for this event if you plan to attend so we may better prepare the venue.

Saturday, May 27, 2017

James Tanner -- Responding to 21 May, Approach to Genealogical Research.

  James Tanner -- Responding to 21 May, Approach to Genealogical Research.

I sure missed meeting you recently but health issues in family eliminated my arriving to hear you talk.

You just always are so in tune to my thoughts, it is like we already had this conversation and seem to
think along the same lines. I could never post it as elegantly as you do though.

You have no idea how excited I was to see this topic and done by you. I just did a presentation on
who we are and how we became whom we are.  Needless to say I started in Africa and used's map with their permission.

As the modern methods seem to swamp the older standby methods sometimes we have to go back to the original method and prove it out.  With one line I had going to the Mayflower group, I did the footwork for years and contacted many people before a computer was functioning for laymen.
The joy was I was able to get the information, yes it takes time and diligence and determination.
 Last our group did DNA data and it confirmed all the information we had gathered.   Hurray

Not every name will do this and I would suspect it be less than 20 %  that does but it is slowly rising to higher percentages.

Somethings about computers and humans frightens me.  So many have no internet yet in the USA.
Yes, this is so true. Yet these are the people that generally have more information and accuracy than those in a big city.

Being exposed to this about 8 years ago by flying to Michigan, not even upper Michigan but our son's area had minimal to no internet service and what service offered was over the average persons budget. I used the library's system for two urgent matters. I received a call saying data was sent.
Our area had no internet. Library was accommodating, thankfully.  Today, yes they have internet
available.  It still costs far more than in our region.

 Family in Montana has no internet in some areas. Some do but cost is prohibitive.
I recall PRES OBAMA got on TV one day and was notifying American's of something and said he was doing it via email and the internet.  I wonder how many million never got the message. So what other areas are still skimpy with internet?

As a deeply interested history and  geological person, I have followed our discoveries of how old they (scientists) think we are.  Only last week they posted a new date line and found (released) new data on we are much older than they last thought.

Being a Geologist was my 2nd choice if I ever got to a University.

Now we have groups that have large amount of members but as stated by your post. Not many in most of the groups are modern day up to speed. I myself have never taken a formal
computer class but have set in classes as taught by instructors to master more skills. I have paid for assistance to learn more information on computer usage.  I also had a great son that really hand taught me as he learned in college.

Worse, when I taught computer to others in 1974-5, all that is not viable. The concept took off and left many, many people behind.

A friend was in the other day and she said ,"I did all these things on the computer when working and when you decide to go back to it, very little is the same." She then stated she need a brush up class for modern computers.

Our society runs a basic  computer class, we also highlight specific topics and then we have a class to talk about reaching various sites and how to do a gedcom and other activities.  Attendance is spotty at best, especially considering we are members of over 80 people.

Those that attend are making forward progress, but if they do not practice what shown they are not able to remember for next event.  Myself included, so I know it is true.

Some of this applies to our age I suspect. I was taught to teach students how to use a computer long, long before I had one.  By the time I could afford a computer much of what I had originally learned was obsolete.  Worse we were taught a computer can be upgraded and you won't have to worry about replacing it often. That was most of the teachers concerns, was cost and efficiency.

So as we move forward we must go back and pick up the scattered pieces that were left to wither and die.

 I believe that is a must for those of us that that have moved forward.

We are a lot older a species than is yet determined I am sure.  To many things point to a rebuilding of whom we were before and us coming back to it now moving ahead.

After all the writings on the stones in Wisconsin are not Indian as they kept telling people but they belong to early nordic  people that were here 200 + years before Virginia and Massachusetts and Florida.  The Indians were here a very long time and were very knowledged of our environmental
needs to be able to survive conditions.   Rotate where lived, rotate crops, do not deplete supplies, move and keep alert to changes, share when given a chance.  Nor did they waste like we do.
Almost no part of an animal was wasted. A use was found for it.

Thanks for your blog post.

Thursday, May 25, 2017

RUN OVER TO - UpFront with NGS, yes click on it.

UpFront with NGS

Click here and read some great tips to help your research.

I am doing mine via birthdays but pick a method and you will be amazed at how much it can help you organize and present your data for your family to enjoy down the road.  It also shares data with cousins that do not live near and would love to learn more about your family.

Just this morning early like 3 am I read an article about a distant cousins child's struggle to graduate school.

Reading the great report given regarding the student we here can so relate.

Genealogy to me is number one way to track down the medical knowledge we should all have for when we raise our family.  Thankfully my Mother felt that way also.  (She lost her baby brother )

 A long short story that he ultimately died a young teen do to injuries as infant that no one had control over.   We need to know if we have lung issues, heart issues, blood issues, mental health issues in our family.

 Why loose some one if it could have been prevented. I thought 23 and Me was right on  to offer medical knowledge with their tests and never understood the reason to stop it.

 O YES-   INSURANCE ;  That was it.  So our lives are not our lives any more,
such a sad shame.

So go to NGS's page for today and read their blog post. #52 stories.

Thanks, let me know if this helps you.

On my personal blog page I have started doing this via birthdays.

I wrote about Dad then my Uncle'(Aunt's Hubby) then  my Aunt (Mom's sis).

I bet you can do this too.

Wednesday, May 24, 2017

NEW Place on Facebook.

As I was wandering around Facebook the other day I run across another site.

You may want to try it out.

If you are looking for adoption help there are two sites here on Facebook also for that.

See if you can find them????

Sunday, May 7, 2017

Migration of Humans and lots of data and maps.

Google migration maps.. and you can have fun. 

The talk was given starting in Early World and how people migrated some times slowly and some times more quickly to various regions of the European and Asian communities. Mostly in the Mid Eastern area, Starting at the Aegean Sea, Anatolia, Turks,  moving into the other regions at various times.  The Ceasar's conquering of their world moved things along and created even more interesting turn of events. The Split between the Church into 2 then 3 major church groups created even a greater division. 
Persian then and Persia today plays a major roll in the movement of peoples in the world.  

Sometimes we forget we are (I suspect) in the same throes of life that the 1750's to 1860's of the America we know.  Adjusting to influx of people and adapting and changing and modifying life.

It is generally accepted that the Bantu-speaking peoples originated from West Africa around 4,000 years ago, although there is less consensus on the exact reasons for and course of their expansion. Prior to that time, the southern half of Africa is believed to have been populated by Khoisan speaking people

Map of the world by Eratosthenes, circa 200 B.C.E. In antiquity, the names Ariana (Āryānā) and Persis were used to describe the region where modern-day Iran is found.

Much to learn here.

more history here


We are a very old planet in some ways. Humans been around longer than most can fathom.
 We are fighting the adaption worse than some did in the past, and better than others.

Depending how long the person lived in a region, (10,000 years or so)  it brings a tidbit of many nationalities one would not suspect. Exposure was given over and over for us to all be one big melting pot.

Welcome Brothers and Sisters.

Friday, May 5, 2017

Migration and Humans & more Charts and Urls.

Posted: 02 May 2017 03:54 PM PDT
The May 6th Saturday Workshop will be from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. in the Community Room at the Bonita-Sunnyside Library (4375 Bonita Road).  

The subject will be “Migration and Humans” presented by Susi Pentico, plus a follow up on the 1 April meeting to discuss brick walls and share information learned.  Come early to connect your laptops to the Library wi-fi.  

Please register on the CVGS website ( on the Events tab so we can plan refreshments and handouts.

This event is free for all to attend. 

Courtesy of Randy Seaver on Genealogy Cafe. 

Lots of new links and ideas to explore will be shared.

Wednesday, May 3, 2017

Sharing Information on Washington Co. PA.

 This is a link to a lot of information in Washington County, Pa.

Many listings of at least 5 cemeteries.

 Listings of Newspapers early.

 Give it a try and  learn more about your ancestors.

Remember Washington Co. was a part of Westmoreland before becoming it's on county.
Remembering also that Greene Co. was a part there of as was Fayette Co. when
Westmoreland Co was the parent county.

Then you have to remember Virginia was part time caretaker of some of this region prior to the 1790's. Many did not recognize PA as parent state because they did not like that states laws verses Virginia's.

Monday, May 1, 2017

Some Great Tips For for Book Researchers.


 A site I get information from sent this information recently.   I hope you take the time to go there and learn what they have to say.

Since I have a book missing I am going to give it a whirl this weekend.  I wish to get the answer to my Foulk/Myers family.  We had it and lost the link to it at FHC and have not located it again.



  created by Family Tree Magazine. 

Genealogy News & Tips

Did you know that FamilySearch has a free collection of online digitized family history books, journals and other publications? We'll show you how to mine this collection for four key types of family history resources that may hold important genealogy information about your ancestors. Read More...

There are many other topics discussed at various times but I wanted to share about the books.

 I find that books carry so much information and not everything is on the internet.  

 We keep telling you that over and over.  

 Grab a book and read some of the history of the area, the Wills, Deeds, Probate Records.
 Learn what they grew for crops and how the lived.  It fills in some blanks.

Saturday, April 22, 2017



 Wednesday 26 April 2017,  Chula Vista Genealogical Society,  Noon til 2 p m

  John Finch will be presenting information about: " World War 1, the Centennial."
  John will go over various aspects of the war and how it affected peace and populations.

   He will display various military records and documents, he is hoping will help you in your
   research for this time era.

   John has been a member since 1999, holding many major positions over the time period.
   He also belongs to San Diego Genealogical Society and Lee County, Illinois group.

   John has always had an interest in family history but waited until retiring before getting actively
   involved.  He now volunteers at the Chula Vista Library on 4th Ave and F St. every Wednesday
   morning to assist new and seasoned researchers.

   He is USN retired and  SDCProbation Department retired.

   This event is free to all.   We would like to have you sign in if you can ahead of time but you can
    come in without signing in on line.  It helps us prepare for how many will be attending.

    There will be a short business meeting and refreshments following his presentation. He also has

Tuesday, April 18, 2017

Computer Classes 19 April CVCC 4th and F St. Chula Vista, CA

Computer classes will be held tomorrow

The first session starts at 10:15 am and will be led by Gary Brock. This session will deal with basic computer concepts and techniques to help you become more comfortable finding things and managing them on your computer.

Lost Gary's picture.  FREE come join and learn.

We will take a break from 11:45 am until 12:30 pm for lunch.
The second session starting at 12:30 pm is led by Shirley Becker and gives you tips, techniques and practice on how to use your computer to find your missing relatives by doing research on the internet.
Admission is free but seating is limited so register early.

Saturday, April 15, 2017

Are You Following ????????

I know  I give great tips of great researchers on this blog.  I nearly never hear that you have found it a benefit.

So are you following some of the hundreds of bloggers out there?  No I do not follow most of them but I do sneak a peak ever so often to see what they are saying.

Here is one that I have followed and person I have known for some years.  Chuckling when in Michigan we are less than 40 miles a part but she was always off to Roanoke Island.

She recently let me share her DNA blog with you in it's fullness.
Here is her new one for you to click on and or copy paste to your browser and read and join.

Roberta Estes thanks for all you do.

If you want variety you may want to at least read this one ever so often.

This is Thomas MacEntee's blog or one of them.
He welcomes new bloggers and gives tips and hints for all regarding genealogical events. He is a speaker all over the USA. Lives somewhere in or near Chicago.  Yes, I know him and enjoy his passion for genealogy.

Now you should be aware of this one, he is a member of our society.  Randy Seaver.
He covers multi topics and shares data for you to see.

A new found friend and acquaintance. James Tanner and he will be in California soon.

This is my favorite site since was so destroyed. Sadly it costs but it covers several states for one fee.  I preferred it when it was single state but data is there.  

Will get you to the site and much is free to read and entice you to join. The names of people in Wills, and other records  you can see. To read the data you must join.
Click on the link above and you will see what I mean.

It also covers: Georgia Pioneers, Kentucky Pioneers, North Carolina Pioneers, South Carolina Pioneers, Southeastern Genealogy, Virginia Pioneers, Genealogy-Books, and GA Grades.

Check what they give you free so you can find out if they have what you may need.

I still use when data is available, loved  We put lots of work into those states for everyone to share and it was always to be free. is a great site also

Many bloggers are doing surnames and places and you can get data and learn a lot by scanning blogs in the area you are researching.

History Blogs are vital to our research and you should follow one or two in the region you are doing your research in.  National Archives and State Archives have blogs filled with data.
Libraries have blogs and filled with data also.

Do not forget various genealogical or historical societies share information also.

Paid sites.
If you belong to they have sources. has sources.
has data.

I have three other blogs and enjoy a chat room on  I did classes there long ago and may go back to it when all of family is well.

Nothing like being at home and sharing information and knowledge and not have to spend time and gas to get there.

Please find a blog or two let me know what you have learned.

Wednesday, April 12, 2017

Louisiana's Archives in Danger ????

Dick Eastman wrote on his blog today an article about the Louisiana Archives being in danger.

Click on Dick's link and read and then get into action to help save them if you can.

Writing and sharing the data with others is one way to help.

Get the word out. please.

Louisiana’s Archives are in a ‘State Of Emergency,’ According to Local Historians

Details may be found in an article by Lex Talamo in the Miami Herald at: per Dick's statement.

Tuesday, April 11, 2017

Roberta Estes shares... Please read DNA Information

New post on DNAeXplained - Genetic Genealogy

Somehow, I missed the announcement that Family Tree DNA now accepts uploads from MyHeritage. Other people may have missed a few announcements too, or don't understand the options, so I’ve created a quick and easy reference that shows which testing vendors' files can be uploaded to which other vendors.
Why Transfer?
Just so that everyone is on the same page, if you test your autosomal DNA at one vendor, Vendor A, some other vendors allow you to download your raw data file from Vendor A and transfer your results to their company, Vendor B.  The transfer to Vendor B is either free or lower cost than testing from scratch.  One site, GedMatch, is not a testing vendor, but is a contribution/subscription comparison site.
Vendor B then processes your DNA file that you imported from Vendor A, and your results are then included in the database of Vendor B, which means that you can obtain your matches to other people in Vendor B's data base who tested there originally and others who have also transferred.  You can also avail yourself of any other tools that Vendor B provides to their customers.  Tools vary widely between companies.  For example, Family Tree DNA, GedMatch and 23andMe provide chromosome browsers, while Ancestry does not.  All 3 major vendors (Family Tree DNA, Ancestry and 23andMe) have developed unique offerings (of varying quality) to help their customers understand the messages that their unique DNA carries.
Ok, Who Loves Whom?
The vendors in the left column are the vendors performing the autosomal DNA tests. The vendor row (plus GedMatch) across the top indicates who accepts upload transfers from whom, and which file versions. Please consider the notes below the chart.

·         Family Tree DNA accepts uploads from both other major vendors (Ancestry and 23andMe) but the versions that are compatible with the chip used by FTDNA will have more matches at Family Tree DNA. 23andMe V3, Ancestry V1 and MyHeritage results utilize the same chip and format as FTDNA. 23andMe V4 and Ancestry V2 utilize different formats utilizing only about half of the common locations. Family Tree DNA still allows free transfers and comparisons with other testers, but since there are only about half of the same DNA locations in common with the FTDNA chip, matches will be fewer. Additional functions can be unlocked for a one time $19 fee.
·         Neither Ancestry, 23andMe nor Genographic accept transfer data from any other vendors.
·         MyHeritage does accept transfers, although that option is not easy to find. I checked with a MyHeritage representative and they provided me with the following information:  "You can upload an autosomal DNA file from your profile page on MyHeritage. To access your profile page, login to your MyHeritage account, then click on your name which is displayed towards the top right corner of the screen. Click on "My profile". On the profile page you'll see a DNA tab, click on the tab and you'll see a link to upload a file."  MyHeritage has also indicated that they will be making ethnicity results available to individuals who transfer results into their system in May, 2017.
·         LivingDNA has just released an ethnicity product and does not have DNA matching capability to other testers.  They also do not provide a raw DNA download file for customers, but hope to provide that feature by mid-May. Without a download file, you cannot transfer your DNA to other companies for processing and inclusion in their data bases. Living DNA imputes DNA locations that they don’t test, but the initial download, when available, file will only include the DNA locations actually tested. According to LivingDNA, the Illumina GSA chip includes 680,000 autosomal markers. It’s unclear at this point how many of these locations overlaps with other chips.
·         WeGene’s website is in Chinese and they are not a significant player, but I did include them because GedMatch accepts their files. WeGene’s website indicates that they accept 23andme uploads, but I am unable to determine which version or versions. Given that their terms and conditions and privacy and security information are not in English, I would be extremely hesitant before engaging in business. I would not be comfortable in trusting on online translation for this type of document.SNPedia reports that WeGene has data quality issues.
·         GedMatch is not a testing vendor, so has no entry in the left column, but does provide tools and accepts all versions of files from each vendor that provides files, to date, with the exception of the Genographic Project.  GedMatch is free (contribution based) for many features, but does have more advanced functions available for a $10 monthly subscription.
·         The Genographic Project tested their participants at the Family Tree DNA lab until November 2016, when they moved to the Helix platform, which performs an exome test using a different chip.
Incompatible Files
Please be aware that vendors that accept different versions of other vendors files can only work with the tested locations that are in the files generated by the testing vendors unless they use a technique called imputation.
For example, Family Tree DNA tests about 700,000 locations which are on the same chip as MyHeritage, 23andMe V3 and Ancestry V1. In the later 23andMe V4 test, the earlier 23andMe V2 and the Ancestry V2 tests, only a portion of the same locations are tested.  The 23andMe V4 and Ancestry V2 chips only test about half of the file locations of the vendors who utilize the Illumina OmniExpress chip, but not the same locations as each other since both the Ancestry V2 and 23andMe V4 chips are custom. 23andMe and Ancestry both changed their chips from the OmniExpress version and replaced genealogically relevant locations with medically relevant locations, creating a custom chip.
I know this if confusing, so I’ve created the following chart for chip and test compatibility comparison.

You can easily see why the FTDNA, Ancestry V1, 23andMe V3 and MyHeritage tests are compatible with each other.  They all tested utilizing the same chip.  However, each vendor then applies their own unique matching and ethnicity algorithms to customer results, so your results will vary with each vendor, even when comparing ethnicity predictions or matching the same two individuals to each other.
Apples to Apples to Imputation
It’s difficult for vendors to compare apples to apples with non-compatible files.
I wrote about imputation in the article about MyHeritage, here. In a nutshell, imputation is a technique used to infer the DNA for locations a vendor doesn’t test (or doesn’t receive in a transfer file from another vendor) based on the location’s neighboring DNA and DNA that is “normally” passed together as a packet.
However, the imputed regions of DNA are not your DNA, and therefore don’t carry your mutations, if any.
I created the following diagram when writing the MyHeritage article to explain the concept of imputation when comparing multiple vendors' files showing locations tested, overlap and imputed regions. You can click to enlarge the graphic.

Family Tree DNA has chosen not to utilize imputation for transfer files and only compares the actual DNA locations tested and uploaded in vendor files, while MyHeritage has chosen to impute locations for incompatible files. Family Tree DNA produces fewer, but accurate matches for incompatible transfer files.  MyHeritage continues to have matching issues.
MyHeritage may be using imputation for all transfer files to equalize the files to a maximum location count for all vendor files. This is speculation on my part, but is speculation based on the differences in matches from known compatible file versions to known matches at the original vendor and then at MyHeritage.
compared matches to the same person at MyHeritage, GedMatch, Ancestry and Family Tree DNA. It appears that imputed matches do not consistently compare reliably. I’m not convinced imputation can ever work reliably for genetic genealogy, because we need our own DNA and mutations. Regardless, imputation is in its infancy today.
To date, two vendors are utilizing imputation. LivingDNA is using imputation with the GSA chip for ethnicity, and MyHeritage for DNA matching.
Your best results are going to be to test on the platform that the vendor offers, because the vendor’s match and ethnicity algorithms are optimized for their own file formats and DNA locations tested.
That means that if you are transferring an Ancestry V1 file, a 23andMe V3 file or a MyHeritage file, for example, to Family Tree DNA, your matches at Family Tree DNA will be the same as if you tested on the FTDNA platform.  You do not need to retest at Family Tree DNA.
However, if you are transferring an Ancestry V2 file or 23andMe V4 file, you will receive some matches, someplace between one quarter and half as compared to a test run on the vendor’s own chip. For people who can’t be tested again, that’s certainly better than nothing, and cross-chip matching generally picks up the strongest matches because they tend to match in multiple locations. For people who can retest, testing at Family Tree DNA would garner more matches and better ethnicity results for those with 23andMe V2 and V4 tests as well as Ancestry V2 tests.
For absolutely best results, swim in all of the major DNA testing pools, test as many relatives as possible, and test on the vendor's Native chip to obtain the most matches.  After all, without sharing and matching, there is no genetic genealogy!

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Wednesday, April 5, 2017

Looking in Virginia ? ? ?

Today I received more great information from a site that I have rejoined.  I talked about this site on Saturday  to the Workshop class.   You do not need to join to see what they offer but you can read the actual data as a paid member.  I truly recommend this site to all Virginia researches and they cover other states also.

Saturday we had many talk about not finding people, then learning that New Jersey was part of New York, Maine was part of Massachussetts, etc.

The same applies to counties with in our states.  After all past family members said that there parent was born in 5 different places by their 7 children.  As I started digging I am told that the boundaries areas were liquid.  This information came from several Town Historians in New York.

So you may say New York but it could be MASS that day.  You may say VT and it could be NY that day.  Was either child wrong, possibly not or maybe so.

Chuckling because my parents bought land that had a bit of moving boundary also in modern times.
I told Dad it was a family trait to buy where boundaries were not stable.  It happened in many counties in many states as they migrated across the Eastern area to the Mid West.

So I would love for you all to really look into the blog site and what they offer.

This article talks about Virginia and North Carolina border change.

So check out the various blogs about the various counties and states that they have and present to us to look for information.  If you find enough leads you may consider it worth the nee fee method that they are using.  But places and names, Wills etc are free to check for names so check it out.

Tells a bit about what they hold for research.

Virginia Genealogies and Databases : 300+ Traced families
Images of Wills, Estates, Marriages, Bibles, Emigrants and Origins of First Settlers, Special Collections

Other States that they host are: Georgia Pioneers, Kentucky Pioneers, North Carolina Pioneers, South Carolina Pioneers, Southeastern Genealogy and other data. 

Friday, March 31, 2017

Bonita Library Workshop 1 April , 5 Gen Chart and Sharing

 Bonita Library at 1 pm til 4 pm 
 Community Room at the Bonita-Sunnyside Library (4375 Bonita Road).  
 Bring Laptop
 Bring 5 Generation Chart
 My Elusive Ancestor Form or acquire one at meeting.

Be prepared to do some research in different places to resolve issues member are struggling with.

It has been proven a -  second set of eyes or more can help see what you are not.
A second thought on a topic of where or what to look at next also helps.

Many times when helping others your issues can be resolved. We just need to think outside the box more.

 Being creatures of rote, we completely recycle our errors until some one spots them.

 Lay a document down, after reading it.  Pick it up 3 days later and see what you missed.
 Laughing out loud I did that 5 years later and missed a key item that helped resolve issue.

 We are human.

 It is free, come have fun and learn about doing research and many great places you can peak for free.

Please arrive by 15 to  1 pm so we can have everyone ready to go to work and have fun.

Susi Pentico has done research for over 40 years and belongs to many groups that help us in our research.  NGS, OGS, NSDCGS, SDGS, NEHGS, and others. Major Mid Atlantic Research was covered in Golden Gate Forum for 10 years as host of the class.

This is her Educational Blog site:

This is one family site:

Webpages created in the early 1990's much sourcing is here for all to use.

Sunday, March 26, 2017

Newspapers: Beyond the Vital Records by Jeanette Shiel CG

Chula Vista Genealogy Society General Meeting.

When:   Wednesday, March 29, 2017

Where: Chula Vista Civic Center Library Auditorium

365 F Street, Chula Vista, CA 91910

Time: 12:00 PM - 3:00 PM

There’s more to newspapers than just birth, marriage, and death notices. Discover newspapers across the country and what secrets they hold about your family! Garner those often overlooked golden nuggets of your ancestors’ daily lives from gossip, tax notices, business advertisements, etc. You’ll be surprised just what you can find!

A Board Certified Genealogist, Jeanette Shiel has been involved in family research for over 15 years. Jeanette is a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), and the Southern California Chapter (SCCAPG); President of North San Diego County Genealogical Society; life member of Utah Genealogical Association (UGA); and National Society Daughters of the American Revolution, currently serving a nine-year appointment on DAR’s Long Range Planning Commission.

Jeanette was born and raised in New York State and moved to Southern California in 2004. She continues to trace her ancestors in New England, New Jersey and New York back to the 1600s in colonial America. One of the most important aspects of research that she likes to explore is placing historical events into the timeline of her ancestors and including the push/pull factors that contribute to what and why her family members did what they did….and utilizing newspapers is a great source of information that builds her ancestors’ life stories.

The meeting starts promptly at Noon with announcements and introductions. Refreshments and fellowship will complete the program.

Attendance is free.

Thursday, March 23, 2017

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Sunday, March 19, 2017

Urls and Information on Early Maps:Cemeteries, Mt. Vernon and Others

Since we are playing with cemeteries I thought you would like this information.

George Washington's Own 1793 Map of Mount Vernon | Atlas Obscura

A great article on George Washington the map maker pre president. Awesome maps and information for early research.

Here is a quote of his posted herein.

As a general, Washington well understood the dire need for accurate cartography. He once wrote:
“The want of accurate Maps of the Country which has hitherto been the Scene of War, has been a great disadvantage to me. I have in vain endeavored to procure them and have been obliged to make shift, with such sketches as I could trace from my own Observations.”

 Letting my fingers do the walking here is more url's for old Cemetery Maps of USA.


15 Must-See Historic Cemeteries Across the U.S. | The Weather Channel

Feb 26, 2013 - Lights strung along the edge of the path guide visitors for a twilight tour at Atlanta's Oakland Cemetery, where six Georgia governors and Gone ...


Find A Grave: Old City Cemetery

Texas USA. Search Old City Cemetery: ... Brownsville City Cemetery - Although this cemetery was not formally deeded to the City of Brownsville until 1868, dates ...


Names In Stone - Cemetery Records

Cemeteries contribute their paper records, maps, and documents. Research Assistance ... Utah, United States : Graves: 4,954 3/17/2017 9:23:36 AM; American ...


Online Cemetery Records and Burial Indexes (USA)

Directory of online cemetery indexes from ... Names in Stone - Cemetery Maps and Records mostly from the West, Southwest, Midwest and ..


Old City Cemetery Committee, Inc. - Maps

Old City Cemetery Committee, Inc. - Historic City Cemetery Maps ... Senator in 1862, California's eleventh governor in 1872, and United States Senator in 1873.


Calvary Cemetery is a Roman Catholic cemetery in Maspeth and Woodside, Queens, in New York City, New York, United States. With about 3 million burials, it has the largest number of interments of any cemetery in the United States; it is also one of the oldest cemeteries in the United States.

List of United States cemeteries.

"United States national cemetery" is a designation for 147 nationally important cemeteries in the United States. A national cemetery is generally a military ...


The Hart Island Project has so far managed to list more than 60,000 burials in the database.

A bill has been introduced to the city council seeking to transfer the island to the parks administration, but has not been taken up yet.
I am ending with this one because it just breaks my heart.. Hart Island, New York.

This should keep you busy there are ten urls here that cover oodles of cemeteries.