Saturday, May 21, 2016

Family History Fair at Bonita Stake

What you missed if you did not attend?

We had a great day of knowledge given to those who wished to participate.  Amazed it wasn't packed wall to wall it was like a Seminar that one normally pays for but free, yes FREE. They even had a Continental Breakfast of Fresh Fruit, muffins and cinnamon breads sliced nice and thin for us to enjoy. Water, orange juice or milk was available to drink.

They had a great array of speakers and topics.  Marti Lewis, Randy Seaver, John Finch, Kathleen
Winchester in English and for the hispanic speakers they had:Alvaro Cordova & Carlos Yturriade.

I chatted with acquaintances and attended Kathleen Winchester's talk on Lineage Societies. I was rather curious about how, if any of the societies had changed rules since the 1995 NGS event here in San Diego. (Having experienced a weird response then).

What I learned is that there are literally probably several hundred Societies of different natures, regarding our ancestral patronage.

Kathleen strongly felt that if you join a group you should be willing to make the group better by your involvement.  (Another words not a collector of societies for your resume but an active real member.)

That got my attention.  Someone who thinks along the lines I do. So I went to the other side and entered room and stayed for the rest of the presentation.  Glad I did, so glad it was so refreshing to hear the things she said. I have DAR qualified ancestors with their DAR number.  I have found several War of 1812 ancestors, multi Civil War ancestors.  I have the medal of one of my CW Ancestors, it was presented to me for all the work I had done on our family by another family distant member.

 Moving forward I have several family members that I personally knew that were in the more current wars. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the wars in Iraq and the mid east since 1980.

For the more current events there have been so many I can not recall them all. Our son served, our nephews served, cousins served. A grandnephew is serving now that I am aware of.

There are groups for probably all of these events.

Then I moved over and listened to  Marti Lewis present on: Exploring Your DNA Results. Always a delight to learn information from Marti.  She has some very neat charts that really explain some of the DNA confusion much simpler.  Yes, she said she would gladly share those charts with us for our research endeavor.  Thank You so much Marti for that.  I heard several around me saying they would really like to have some of them.

She showed how she worked with a DNA linking cousin to establish relationship to each other.
She used some really cool methods of weeding out and adding to her research in doing this.
She showed us how she missed clues by not thinking wide enough in researching. One county over was her missing family.  There were lots of great questions and responses to this research matching to pair with her DNA Match.  I actually could follow along because she did not mention all those numbers and codes and that are so technical and leave me mostly in the dust.

I shared that she is right, most links are 4 and 5 generations back with DNA. I had a link yesterday with a 5 back generation member.  Last week I did have a 3 generation back link but it was the matching of two brothers grandchildren.  I had lost touch with the one and that link brought me great joy to find my 2nd cousin's family. (It was a family I had grown up with knowledge of and shared times with on our trips home to WYO/CO)  They were my Grandmother's brothers. One lived in Oregon and one in Colorado, Grandma in Wyoming and they had other siblings in IA and NE.

It was such a refreshing method of presentation, am hoping she will do this talk again and share some of those super charts she used, (she is always good for her word) : >)

Was excited I would finally get to hear John Finch's talk on the Civil War. Alas, not meant to be again.  I was answering questions from other attendees regarding DNA and tests and activities learned. (IN regards to the test sites and discoveries.)  

Then went and helped hold down the fort at our booth with Virginia.

The events went quick the sharing of topics and information with members through out the event was great.  I need to send a notice to Randy he was not aware of.

Anyone going to listen to CeCe Moore next week?

Yes I  learned, always trying to learn more and share my knowledge with others.

Some commented on the RootTech presentation's, I am glad to see that they had these to offer to the attendees. I thought their choice of topics was excellent in this field.

Shirley Becket said the one on Family Search talked about Indexes that are not normally mentioned and she found it very informative.  It was titled " Finding Elusive Records on
It had been presented at the RootsTech last February.

I am no longer fluent in the Spanish language as I was 20 years ago.  I am sure their Hispanic presentations were as interesting and intriguing.

Friday, May 20, 2016

Review on Libraries in our Region

Libraries in our Region: An Informative Presentation at the Lemon Grove Genealogy Group Meeting by Susi Pentico 18 May 2016

Gee. There are a lot of libraries around the San Diego area that I did not know about before tonight!
The PowerPoint presentation (with live links to library websites), along with interesting comments and discussion, will certainly assist in my never-ending search for lost ancestors.

Highlights for me included the San Diego Law Library site. There are three main law libraries nearby: The San Diego County Law Library & San Diego County Public Law Library (, and the California Western School of Law Library. Researching at a law library could turn up a black sheep in the family, maybe?

The Chula Vista Library at 4th and F St, Chula Vista, houses the Chula Vista Genealogy Society resource collection. These books are for in-library use only, so a road trip is in my near future.

Of course, the nearly-new, very modern San Diego Central Library is a go-to destination for local genealogists with an entire floor dedicated to genealogy.

Online site to search the catalog is: When on this site, click on ‘Library’, then ‘Classic Catalog’ go to ‘All Fields’, choose ‘Subject Keyword’, type in ‘genealogy’. Here I located at least 20 scrolling pages of results. Better get busy, fellow ancestor seekers.

And this is just a sample of the libraries covered in Susi’s presentation.
Happy hunting, y’all!

Cindy Teysko

Cindy Thank You, as I have stated there will be more libraries covered as time moves forward.
Libraries are our friends. I am glad it enlightened the attendees to some of our great resources.

Way, way, to many to cover all at once.  Thanks Again.

Thursday, May 19, 2016

Rest In Peace Dad You Are Missed

Rest In Peace  Dad You Are Missed

Ray Dee Jones Sr was born 19 May 1913 in Waterloo, Iowa area.  His parents were Carl Fremont Jones and Victoria Mae Foulk Jones.  He was their first child of 6 known children. One dying in infancy, in his arms.

He had tears in his eyes as he told of his baby sister's death. Very hard on a very young man, this event was. He was not 10 years old.

He grew up helping to raise his siblings and putting food on the table.  When older he tried to keep
his family together and maintain a family.

I think they all appreciated it after they got past the shock of not all was as they remembered.

Parents sometimes do not think of the children they just spew in front of them causing much hurt and pain for children.

Dad worked on a cattle ranch in Wheatland, Wyoming  he married and later worked doing the same in Greybull, Wyo.   I was born in Wyoming then we moved to California.

He had 3 more children in California.  He worked as a Coast Watcher during the War.  Why does no one talk about Coast Watchers?  Or C B's.?

He worked hard and was fair and taught us about God and family and respect and to be truthful.
He used to say:" You can talk to God anywhere".  He tells us that, is in the Bible. He was taught a lot by the Father's from Boys Town, while he worked on the Diamond Tail Ranch in Greybull, Wyo.
His boss brought back earrings blessed by the Pope for Mom and she said they were to be mine.
I have them now.

He was always going to write the story of his family and life with his siblings. He could share some great stories of what he and his siblings did.  Some were very funny and some were a wee sad. Alas he never got them on paper. Now days people can record these stories from their family if  the would stop and take the time.

His sister wrote a couple of books and both other sisters wrote awesome poetry. His brother was an artist of great abilities.  He carved, painted, wrote, built and designed many things.

Dad died 12 April 1995, joking with his favorite waitress with Mom beside him.  Sometimes it is like yesterday.  Dad I love you.

Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Lemon Grove Library Wed 6 t0 8 pm Libraries in our Region

Libraries in our Region

 Suspecting few people really know how many libraries are in our region. Also fear they have no idea what those libraries may hold to help people in their historical and genealogical research.

So have put together bits and pieces of some of our libraries. We have County, and City and Law, and other libraries.  Yes, I found them.

Wondering how many teachers are aware of what the libraries in our community may offer their students.  Have they ever had them come and talk about what their holdings are or may be?

Pondering how many Genealogical or Historical Societies have looked at what local resources have to help move their projects forward.

Discovering it will talk a few talks to cover some of the major possible places people may want to
make sure they do not miss.

Of course, one starts with your own local library and it's many branches, maybe?

Our colleges in the area have some awesome libraries also that carry data on some of their main topics for their students.  Yes, those topics are pertinent to your research.

What I did not find was a Medical group with a library.

Come to Lemon Grove and learn some of the things I knew and some of the new things I learned about our regions local libraries.

May 18, 6 pm

Free, always free.

Monday, May 16, 2016

Avunculate Marriages --explained here. Thanks Darrel Hockley

Avunculate Marriages --explained here.  Thanks Darrel Hockley

As we are struggling to unscramble inter marrying families, I received this information from Darrel Hockley.  He gave permission for me to reprint and show one correction.

No wonder some of the lines are so confusing. Also some of our programs are struggling to deal with this inter linking.

On May 12, 2016, at 10:34 PM, Darrel Hockley via wrote:

> Avunculate marriage is the marriage of an uncle with his niece or an aunt with her nephew. These type of marriages were usually done to keep wealth and property within families. In England before the Reformation, a Papal Dispensation had to obtained for such a marriage to be legal.
> In colonial New Jersey such marriages were declared void in 1682. However avunculate marriages were not made illegal in the neighbouring Province of New York until 1893. (Since 2014 they are once more legal in New York.)
> Now knowing the above, various entries concerning the Woolley/Wooley families make sense as taken from the Trella May Hall Collection located in the Archives at the New England Historic Genealogical Society.
> Edward Woolley, born 16 January 1691/62 at Shrewsbury, Monmouth County, New Jersey (some people said he was born in Rhode Island which I believe is wrong), was a son of Edward Woolley (1655 to 1729) and his wife Lydia Allen (1660 to 1742). His older sister was Elizabeth Woolley (1685 to 1723) the wife of Gabriel Stelle (de L'Estoile) (1685 to 1738) of Perth Amboy, Middlesex County, New Jersey. Elizabeth and Gabriel had a daughter named Lydia "Lida" Stelle who was born in 1709.
> The younger Edward was mentioned in the Will of his father Edward Woolley dated 3 January 1728/29. However, he is not in the Will of his mother which was written on 3 November 1732. Daughter Lydia Stelle is also not named in the Will of her father Gabriel. I believe that sometime in 1729 Edward Woolley the Younger and his niece Lydia Stelle eloped (she was probably pregnant with their son Jehu/John), leaving New Jersey for Dutchess County, New York, where they married (legally) and settled there. Widow Lydia Allen Woolley and Gabriel Stelle did not approve of this marriage and that is why they cut off their respective children from any inheritance.
> Children of Edward and Lydia were:
> Jehu/John Woolley (1729 to 1812)William Woolley (1730 to 1817) married Elizabeth EvartsAbel Woolley (1734 to 1826) married Mary CarterLydia Valeria Woolley (1737 to 1813) married Zephaniah HowardPontius Woolley (1739 to 1814) married Content Palmer
> William Woolley and his wife Elizabeth later moved to Middleton, New Jersey and I believe that it was his descendants that Dr. John E. Stillwell found living in New Bargain Mills, Howell township, Monmouth County, NJ  in 1893.
> I do not know what religion Edward Howard and his wife Lydia Steel followed. They were not Quakers as Edward's ancestors were. Lydia's branch of the Stelle/de L'Estoile family were Anglicans. Daughter Lydia Valeria and her husband Zephaniah Howard were Baptists. Son Pontius Woolley probably became a Quaker in order to marry Content Palmer who came from an Connecticut Quaker family. I do not know when Edward and Lydia died.
> Some family historians say that Peter Woolley (born 1732; died unknown) whose wife was Hannah Potter, was also a son of Edward and Lydia (Stelle) Woolley. He was actually the son of Peter Woolley and his wife Mary Tilton. The elder Peter in turn was a son of William Woolley (1662 to 1718) and his wife Ann West of Shrewbury, NJ. Actually Peter Woolley (c.1695 to after 1732) was married three times. His first wife was Margaret Stelle (born 1705; died probably about 1725), the oldest sister of Lydia. His second and third wives were Martha Tilton and Mary Tilton. Young Peter moved to Dutchess County also and had a very close relationship with Abel and  Pontius Woolley and with Zephaniah Howard so that made some to think he was a brother to Abel, Pontius, and Lydia Valeria.
> Thus, with none of the Woolley historians knowing about Avunculate marriage - also the idea that an uncle marrying his blood niece would have filled those Victorians with dread about incest - that line of the Woolley family has not been recorded properly.
> Darrel Hockley
> Regina, SK, Canada

> Correction is here:

Hello Susi,

Yes, you can print my email, only I have a correction to make, It has been pointed out to me that Lydia Valeria and her husband Zephaniah Howard were Quakers and not Baptists; one of their grandchildren (Chauncey Howard, my ancestor) became at various times a Baptist or a Methodist, depending on where he lived in Illinois.

Darrel Hockley

Regina, SK, Canada

My request to Darrel


May I print your letter in it's entirety on my blog. I think you have opened the door for many people struggling to break brick walls.  Awaiting your reply.

I am Educational Chairperson for CVGS in Chula Vista Ca..             society blog


Thursday, May 12, 2016

Thriller Thursday======== New Source for Information

Thriller Thursday======== New Source for Information

Today I read my mail today.  In the email box was a bit of new source information.

It is a book review done by Genealogy Bank--The Official Blog

It covers a topic I have not seen addressed and reminded me of a thought I had
last week about another source not covered. (more to come).

I would love to post the data here but will refer you to their sight.

Posted: 12 May 2016 08:34 AM PDT
Myron J. Smith, Jr. has done a real service to genealogists by compiling this biographical dictionary of 956 Confederate and Union naval personnel as well as others closely allied to the war effort – politicians, steamboat pilots, government officials and others.

For further Information go to the above listed site and enjoy.
Yes, it names people, ships, places, events.  

Please click this link and learn more.

We had ships in the War against England and all battles since.

Now has anyone addressed our American CB's from WW2?

They were the Construction Battalions that went in before the troops to set up the ground for arrival of our troops. They took very high casualties.