Friday, March 19, 2010

Irish Research in Lemon Grove 17 March 2010

We started with a map with many herald names on it. It was passed around for
everyone to see if their Irish name was on it. Some met with success for surname.
We then passed around some books on Ireland that I had on my shelf regarding the
county. I also shared a book from 1890's I had gotten on Dublin.

Maps were shared from a book I had acquired so that all could see the region we
would be mostly addressing this evening.

My source book for the information was: MODERN IRELAND 1600-1972 by R E FOSTER
The Penguin Press

I scoured the index and the following chapters I addressed to the audience due to
the nature of the information, and Americans.

Ulster Migration p 215-216
Emigration 44-45
Famine 1600-1639 and 1674-1675
Irish language
Journalism 18th century puppets 183-184 etc p667
Landlordism 132-3
Emigration to America 215-6, 345 to 349, 350, 253-62, 459

Some early newpapers were: Dublin Evening Post, Dublin Gazette, Dublin Joural, very
early newspapers existed.

Due to some interesting events between the Scottish and the British there became a
change in Ireland. I am not going to go into that, save for another day.
But the Scots appeared to have a hand in the mixes that occurred, much in book.

But because Irish data was requested I presented data about the development of the
area that the first emigrees seemed to have come from and why and where the went to
settle.

The Irish were settlers of this land prior to the English and for all the warring
they did and did not do the method for retaining civilty within their tribes
was admired by the English so much so that they adapted many of their laws from the
"TUETH" a Irish rule they lived by. Religion and Politcs were mixed and accepted.

The Irish lived according to their economy. 1600's time line we did not talk of
previous times. When the flax seed was shipped in the ships went back to America
empty. The flax seed obviously was grown and harvested to
make linen. Linen was the market of the day.

When the markets went down people were unemployed and starving, when market up
they worked and enjoyed life a bit.

The political arena was worried about the Pope having more control over their land
so the passed a law " 1704 Act to Prevent further Popacy." There by they had
more control on home soil.

The Dessenters were barred from holding public office, barred from town
corporations, until the 1770's.

As time marched on by 1770 Protestants were the Professionals, and the Catholics
were the laborers.

In 1730, the prosperity was up and by 1760's was up again. It was up and down and up
and down.

By 1603, the people had already started to distrust the Catholics. So it took 100
years for the Popacy act. It took another 75 before the Protestants were on top.

Ulster was the area dominately held by the Ulster Men. Which came from a politcal
agreement with the Scots mostly.

By 1613 there was bitter rivalary with Old Ireland and New Ireland.

The peoples were fisherman and worked in Newfoundland for a season and came
home and went back. The others were farmers and coastal fisherman and planters.

The wools and yarns Ireland is known for today was not in existence like today.

Linen was the fabric of the day.

Migration started when the ships realized they could make money taking people
away and not having an empty ship and carry rock as ballast. So they started
charging a small fee to carry Irish to America and other ports that they would
be landing at.

People in Ireland at this time were of many nations due to many previous wars
and they had not gone home afterward. Their were French, Huguenots, German Pal-
atinate's and Moravians that lived in Ireland.

North America was the destination of choice for Ulster Irish through West Indies,
where many did stay. Pre 1720, New England was the favored destination then
Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Carolina. The land and religous freedom
drew them from the turmoil of Ireland. (found this odd because others said
many and many did settle in the Shanandoah Valley, VA area)

By 1720 the rate increased and sped up then slowed down then up again. By 1760
20,000 took ships from Ulster ports claiming 1770's at least 30,000 left.
1770-74 2/5 of total emigrees were from Ulster up to 250,000 people also
included Anglicans, 100,000 Catholics from the south in the same time period.

A key difference in the Irish immigrants was the Ulster families arrived as
families the women went with the men with children. The other Irish only
the men came and this stayed same until 19th century. This was not done
anywhere else but Dublin, whole families.


In 1790, they found many French had stayed after the (7 Year War),
There were so many wars I did not go into the internal turmoil in Ireland
politically, Obviously from some time in the early 1500's forward, the'
unrest was present and active.

Ulster Society structure where readiness to move, settle and subdue land was
traditional, re religion and cultural apartness, enabled communities to
emigrate and stay together. Ships brought flax seed from American and emigrants
came back to America on the same ship.

By 1790, the north was driving out the Catholic families from Armagh, the most dense
populated city in Ireland and south of Derry. (So this statement implies different
than another chapter that this group was Catholic that was coming to America but the
time frame is later than the first people coming in the early 1700.s) ( Interesting
because I always thought it was the Ulster people that run the Catholic to America)
Obviously time line makes a difference as to which group came.

Another interesting fact was that not Boston, Chicago and New York were the dominate
land for the Catholics. They first settled in the south and created a diocese.
More tidbits in this time frame were: Liverpool was 25% Irish in 1851.
England and Wales in 1841-51 were 79% increase in Irish.

1800 Migration figures

1815-45 1,000,000 to probably 1,500,000
1845-1870 3,000,000 left
1890 3,000,000 Irish are living over seas. Of this number 39% had been born in
Ireland.

No where near full data but just highlights to help in your Irish research.

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